[NSRCA-discussion] weather-P0-7

Wed Feb 15 14:06:36 AKST 2006

The storm arrived!!! Now I'm running around all day fixing equipment and replacing surge protection ! LOL.
Mind you , the air was sensational for flying this morning. We are not used to thicker air here ( I think I'm at about 800 m ASL) and the Dingo performed like a Mongrel!! I was resigned to more 'poodle' like performance with the way the weather was-but today, it was on fire!!!  It was so much easier to fly-it was astounding. This brings me to a question:

P0-7: turnaround manoeuvre-Half horizontal hourglass.

The second leg going back up with the two half rolls (reversed). Am I correct that this leg can be a different length than the first leg entering the manoeuvre. I assume it can be, as it is a turn around and therefore an altitude adjusting manoeuvre?? As long as the rolls are centred on that leg it should be correct-no?
Just need to clarify, that's all.

My panel shop neighbour did not look pleased as we both left for work this morning-he looked very concerned. I guess he knew the morning rush hour and slippery roads would result in somewhat additional income for him ! I would have expected a broad smile from him instead!!!

Tom
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From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]On Behalf Of Terry Brox
Sent: Wednesday, 15 February 2006 3:19 PM
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I too, have my fingers crossed. Let me know.

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From: Koenig, Tom <mailto:Tom.Koenig at actewagl.com.au> 
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Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 5:49 PM
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Washing the car....that is what peeves me..I cant keep it clean. I go to the field and its a mess, dust everywhere. Its especially problematic since I'm flying every morning now. I dream about the sorts of fields some of you chaps have in the US, paved runways or lush green strips etc etc.

Terry...the smash repair business is a lucrative one in this country. My neighbour has a panel shop-he is doing alright thank you very much-even without hail or rain!
Come to think of it, I think I'm the pauper in my street-I'm the only one that works wages!!!

Thunderstorm predicted this afternoon-keeping fingers crossed!!

Tom

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From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]On Behalf Of Amir Neshati
Sent: Wednesday, 15 February 2006 10:14 AM
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I keep washing my car and the weather seems to remain around 70 degrees, sunny, clear & calm here in Vegas.

Amir

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From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of John Contreras
Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 10:31 PM
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Yeah its really tough here in AZ, the other day we had a crosswind for part of the day, lol

John

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From: Troy A.  <mailto:troy_newman at msn.com> Newman
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We are at 116 days without any moisture. Not even a little dew on the pumpkin in the morning.

Today was 80degs with winds about 5-10mph.

TN

----- Original Message -----
From: Koenig, Tom <mailto:Tom.Koenig at actewagl.com.au> 
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Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 8:52 PM
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Terry,
No hail anywhere that I am aware of. To be honest...I wouldn't mind a bit of wet weather again, I think 6 weeks ago was the last time I witnessed any wet stuff. The flying field is all dust and dirt and temperatures are only just becoming bearable.

Tom
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From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]On Behalf Of Terry Brox
Sent: Tuesday, 14 February 2006 2:38 PM
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Have you guys had any hail down there in Australia?

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From: Koenig, Tom <mailto:Tom.Koenig at actewagl.com.au> 
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Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 6:38 PM
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REAL football...is that what you fellas in the States call it??<VBG> Crash hats, all that girlie body armour, stop start, stop start....REAL football is played down here, Rugby Union, League and Aussie Rules-and we drive on the RIGHT side of the road too..hahahaha <VVBG>

And just to warm a few more tempers ( since you fellas are enjoying your blizzards at the moment)-its a nice 82 Deg F, sunny and no wind down here!

Have fun

Tom ( in the bunker)

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From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]On Behalf Of Ed Miller
Sent: Tuesday, 14 February 2006 11:17 AM
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Within the 10 ten in the USA.  We even drive on the correct side of the road and play real football ( UT ) here. 
Ed M.

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From: Grow Pattern <mailto:pattern4u at comcast.net> 
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They have schools???

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From: Ed  <mailto:edbon85 at charter.net> Miller
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Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 5:56 PM
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School was closed here in Farragut, Knox county schools today also. I think the few flurries we had over the weekend and the TV shots of the northeast being buried caused a "sympathy shutdown" of Knox county schools. :)
Ed M.

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From: John Ferrell <mailto:johnferrell at earthlink.net> 
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Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 5:42 PM
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I understand and sympathize. Over hear on the East side of the mountains there were snow flurries seen on last Thursday morning somewhere in the county so they delayed school opening two hours...

John Ferrell   
http://DixieNC.US

----- Original Message -----
From: Ed Miller <mailto:edbon85 at charter.net> 
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Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 5:33 PM
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Yeah, TN sucks. My property taxes are 1/3 they were in NY and I tried but TN refuses to collect state income tax from me. Weather sucks as I long for those January and February days of shoveling snow, chipping ice, mind numbing cold and falling on my butt.  I can drive a car around in my house ( full scale )...... Guaranteed immortality wouldn't get me to move back. Wait, is that a banjo I hear in the background ??? Ed M.

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From: Del K. Rykert <mailto:drykert2 at rochester.rr.com> 
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How absolutely revolting...  to be flying a real 2m pattern ship in February..  and not be in the sun belt..

                 Del
          nsrca - 473

----- Original Message -----
From: Scott Anderson <mailto:scott at rcfoamy.com> 
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1 inch dusting in Knoxville, TN and going to be 60f on Tuesday.. Might just have to go fly :)

scott anderson

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From: Randy hatfield <mailto:randy10926 at comtekmail.com> 
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I call it a re-use of the dining room.  We had a 12 inch 'dusting' as well in DC.  Black ice everywhere this morning.  I am having fun turing Balsa in to mounds of saw dust.

Randy

----- Original Message -----
From: Dean Pappas <mailto:d.pappas at kodeos.com> 
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Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 1:50 PM
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That's a padded room, right? I call it the workshop.
Dean

Dean Pappas
Sr. Design Engineer
Kodeos Communications
111 Corporate Blvd.
South Plainfield, N.J. 07080
(908) 222-7817 phone
(908) 222-2392 fax
d.pappas at kodeos.com

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From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]On Behalf Of Grow Pattern
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Dean,
           What snow?

It's only a 12" dusting.....Signed, ex Boston MA inmate....

You should just "get a room" for yourself and the "tuned-pipe-pundits", then talk 2-c's and pipes until the snow melts! That will keep you all sane!  :-)))) John's RV is vacant right now.....

Evl-Eric.

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From: Dean Pappas <mailto:d.pappas at kodeos.com> 
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Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 1:39 PM
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Yeah, John!
What ever happened to the "obvious to one skilled in the art" clause?
Maybe what is patented is the arrangement of servo-box, or extension arm ... in any case, this falls under the heading of re-patenting the wheel.
Granted, on a 3-D only setup, I'd hook up to the servo this way!

signed, snow covered in Joisey
A.K.A.
Dean Pappas
Sr. Design Engineer
Kodeos Communications
111 Corporate Blvd.
South Plainfield, N.J. 07080
(908) 222-7817 phone
(908) 222-2392 fax
d.pappas at kodeos.com

-----Original Message-----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]On Behalf Of John Ferrell
Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 1:30 PM
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If that can be worthy of a patent, the inmates are in charge of the asylum!

John Ferrell   
http://DixieNC.US

----- Original Message -----
From: Bob Richards <mailto:bob at toprudder.com> 
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Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 9:08 AM
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My feeling exactly.

Bob R.

Ed Alt < ed_alt at hotmail.com> wrote:

Never have seen it before, but I guess the main question I have concerns the potential for loss of effective torque transmitted to the control surface.  I see that they claim it's better due to no losses.  That would be true in the sense that you don't lose that little bit in the linkage friction etc., but if you only want, say, 25 degrees of surface throw each direction, it would appear that you would have to limit the servo travel to 25 degrees as well.  If that's true, then you have less mechanical advantage for a given degree of movement for the surface, since you would normally have a servo traveling about doub! le that distance.  The control surface speed would be quicker, assuming the load is handled without any blowback or slowdown of movement due to the effectively lower torque transmitted while moving.  Maybe I'm not seeing it right, but it looks like it might not be such a good thing to use, unless you were alr! eady planning on having something close to a 1:1 correspondence of degrees of servo arm movement to degrees of surface travel.

Ed

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