[NSRCA-discussion] Pipe for OS 140RX

[Dean Pappas]

Okay, I have column fodder!
 

Dean Pappas 
Sr. Design Engineer 
Kodeos Communications 
111 Corporate Blvd. 
South Plainfield, N.J. 07080 
(908) 222-7817 phone 
(908) 222-2392 fax 
d.pappas at kodeos.com 

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From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]On Behalf Of DaveL322 at comcast.net
Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 11:47 AM
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Also true!!!  Not to mention how the metering / needle overlap changes with different nitro and oil contents.
 
Dave
 

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From: "Dean Pappas" <d.pappas at kodeos.com> 

So true! What is more, even for a given engine, small variations in the carb fuel metering curve can completely change your assessment of a pipe.
later,
Dean
 

Dean Pappas 
Sr. Design Engineer 
Kodeos Communications 
111 Corporate Blvd. 
South Plainfield, N.J. 07080 
(908) 222-7817 phone 
(908) 222-2392 fax 
d.pappas at kodeos.com 

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From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]On Behalf Of DaveL322 at comcast.net
Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 11:06 AM
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It is nice that we have several very good options available for exhaust systems.
 
With regard to tuned pipes, to truly evaluate the capability of the pipe, they do need to be tuned.  And how they are tuned is often different for different users depending on priorities for power, torque, sensitivity, etc - to say nothing of matching the tune length to airframe drag and weight, prop, flight style, etc.  Simply plugging the pipe onto the end of a header is rarely going to yield the best performance for that pipe.  Similarly, making comparisons between different pipes that have not been tuned is not much more than a chance comparison.  Granted, some pipes have a broader sweet spot, but they all benefit from proper tuning.
 
Regards,

Dave
 

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From: "David Flynt" <dflynt at verizon.net> 

> Or should we spark up a rivalry like OS vs YS, JR vs Futaba, Composite vs wood, etc? That could be entertaining =)
 
Mike, I like the ES also.  Now what was that composite vs wood rivalry all about?
 
David

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From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]On Behalf Of Mike Hester
Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2006 10:03 PM
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Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Pipe for OS 140RX


I think when it comes between the aeroslave and the ES pipe, it's personal preference. With some notable but subtle differences.
 
Here's what I noticed:
 
The ES 2C140M80 pipe I use is 3.2 ozs, the Aeroslave is right at 3 ozs. it's pretty much a wash.
 
The transition is bit little smoother on the ES. 
 
The Aeroslave pipe gives about 100 rpm more on the top end. 
 
(both above using standard length header, no cutting and tuning). 
 
The Aeroslave costs less, but has been difficult to get in the past. I believe that may no longer be an issue. 
 
The ES is much more easy on the eyes.
 
The Aeroslave is physically smaller, and could fit better in tight installations. I've found this to be true on a few applications.
 
The ES (for me) has proven very very durable. I've never worn one out, ever. I have one with almost 2000 flights on it. It was involved in a crash before I got it, The airplane was completely destroyed, head in full speed...the pipe wasn't scratched. It only had about 50 flights before the crash.
 
Also Ed Skorepa has been very good to me service and price-wise, so I suppose there's some loyalty involved. Lance has also been great to me, and so I also am running an Aeroslave in my older Black Magic prototype now. 
 
So, I run both. The ES is more "bling" and a little smoother, the Aeroslave is more business-like and stronger on the top end but stumbles just a tad in the mid range. 
 
I'd run either in a heartbeat. I just slightly prefer the ES for my newer stuff. You can't go wrong with either.
 
Or should we spark up a rivalry like OS vs YS, JR vs Futaba, Composite vs wood, etc? That could be entertaining =)
 
-Mike

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From: David Lockhart <mailto:DaveL322 at comcast.net>  
To: NSRCA Mailing  <mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> List 
Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2006 11:27 PM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Pipe for OS 140RX

I've run most of the pipes available in the past couple years on both the OS (RX and EFI) and Webra (145 and 160).  The "best" pipe depends on how you prioritize power, throttle response, noise, weight, and price.  If I needed to buy a pipe today, I'd go with the Aeroslave as I believe it is best or very close to best in all the categories I listed.

Regards,

Dave

 

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