[NSRCA-discussion] Pattern Growth (was NSRCA Dues Increase)

[Lisa & Larry]

I've tried to stay away from this thread but it's time to chime in with my
.02...Because of the distance I need to travel for Pattern I have taken an
interest in IMAC. I consider myself an entry level beginner type pilot. I
will fly both Pattern and IMAC this year (2006). OK...I'll make the contest
and try to fly...vbg

About Cost - Lisa and I went to an IMAC contest last year and entered Basic
with my 2M Focus. It's very interesting to see 25% plane or bigger for
Sportsman and up. Most I have seen flying Basic with interest spends more
than a typical Pattern Sportsman. I really don't see the cost of a
competitive plane being the issue. To me I would think that most flying in
the upper classes of IMAC are spending more than upper classes of a pattern
guy (gal). Further more, some fly both...

About Dues - I've read some squabbling about dues. I didn't give very much
time to it. I would be willing to bet that those having issues with a $10
increase have no problem paying over $1.00 for bottled water or a soda. Quit
frankly I'm not sure why or how less than .03 cents per day or less than .20
cents per week or .83 cents per month will cause any organization's
membership to decrease. We all probably loose more pocket change in the same
year.

Why is pattern dropping - As stated many times but in different words. It's
all about evolution of the sport. There are more areas in RC than 10 or 20
years ago. Interests change with each generation. The total market (AMA
members) probably hasn't grown that much. It would be interesting to compare
the NSRCA population Vs the AMA population and see how much we actually lost
as a percentage of membership.

For those that read this much...Food for thought...

Do e-mail threads like this one, which continue the banter, help or hurt
pattern?

It's good to bring up points or debate issues. But sometimes these things
seem to on forever.

Let's all relax and start some threads that most folks are really interested
in. How to help a newbie...

Give if you can, support when you can, and promote always !!!! Pattern will
hold it's own...

HAPPY New Year to all !!!!!!!!!!

Larry Diamond
NSRCA 3083
Not yet an IMAC member



-----Original Message-----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Bob Kane
Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2006 1:36 PM
To: NSRCA Mailing List
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] NSRCA Dues Increase

So what do you suggest?
 
Bob Kane
getterflash at yahoo.com


----- Original Message ----
From: Del K. Rykert <drykert2 at rochester.rr.com>
To: NSRCA Mailing List <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2006 10:37:56 AM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] NSRCA Dues Increase


Derek.
    I believe the NSRCA should be looking at the last 10 years as the 
measure to see how things are improving. Speaking in generalities this SIG 
has been in declining status for most part since this sport has become 
dramatically more expensive and takes gobs more time to be involved in. The 
days of flying 40 size models are no longer viable. 60 size models are no 
longer competitive. Competitors have to learn to be a competent judge as 
well as a good mechanic / flyer and possibly builder if they choose to.
    All these factors do force the realization that this sport is no longer 
willing to encourage or listen to the causal competitor.

    Del

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Derek Koopowitz" <derekkoopowitz at gmail.com>
To: "'NSRCA Mailing List'" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Monday, December 25, 2006 12:58 AM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] NSRCA Dues Increase


> Actually membership is up over the last couple of years but we do have a 
> lot
> of work ahead of us - it will be challenging to all of us, not just the
> board, but for all members.  One of my goals is to increase revenue with 
> the
> K-Factor but I need someone for the Advertising Manager position - this
> person must be passionate about this sport and must be a good 
> communicator -
> someone that can solicit new advertising to help build it up slowly.  We 
> did
> pick up a couple of new advertisers in 2006 - I think we can pick up a
> couple more new advertisers in the next few months.  If anyone has an
> interest in being our Ad Manager please contact me ASAP.
>
> Wayne, I'm sorry to hear that you won't renew your membership - hopefully
> you'll change your mind in the near future.  As to what I will do to get 
> us
> out of this pickle?  We ALL have to do something.  This is not something
> that any one person can fix - if I could wave a magic wand, I would. 
> We'll
> take the necessary steps on getting our finances in order - let me tell 
> you
> that it won't take much to see a difference.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Wayne
> Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2006 6:17 PM
> To: NSRCA Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] NSRCA Dues Increase
>
> Don't worry Paul it wasn't announced in the KF either!
>
> So you didn't miss anything.
>
> I understand the need for increased dues. I also understand the need for 
> the
> NSRCA to give us something in return for our support. Today I don't see 
> much
> going on to PROMOTE pattern. While I wish to support pattern and promote 
> it
> I will take my $40 and spend it on attendance at an event rather than the
> NSRCA.
>
> Sorry but poor management of more of our funds are not going to get it 
> done.
>
> 2 years ago when folks asked questions of Derek and Lamar the bank account
> was sitting on a surplus of about $12,000 or so. If I remember the numbers
> correctly. I'm going to go find the old KF that had this number in it. 
> Rusty
> Dose tells us last month that we are down over $15,000 is dues and
> advertising revenue. Looks to me like this has been a sinking ship for 
> some
> time. The very fact that I received a renewal notice with the $40 price 
> tag
> on it a full week before we heard about it from the board is another sign 
> of
> mismanagement. A 30% increase in dues just because there has not been a
> increase in many years is not the solution to our problems. Where is the 
> 30%
> increase going to help support precision aerobatics.
>
> I think that with all products and services in the market place today the
> NSRCA needs to show some value to the modelers out there. If this happens
> then membership will grow. Revenue will increase. And Pattern flying will
> prosper. I feel that I and other vote with our pocket books. The reason
> advertising dollars are down, the reason dues dollars are down is due
> directly to the product supplied.
>
> Perhaps the NSRCA leadership is listening but instead we talk about what a
> great job has been done and how far we have come. I'm not into bashing the
> guy that just left but Derek we have seen nothing about how to get us out 
> of
> this pickle we are in. Therefore I elect not to renew at this time. I 
> think
> there are better places to spend our money to support Precision 
> Aerobatics.
>
>
>
> Wayne
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Paul Brine" <pbrine at uoguelph.ca>
> To: "NSRCA Mailing List" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2006 3:19 PM
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] NSRCA Dues Increase
>
>
>> It also wasn't announced to the membership until Dec 22nd via Lamar's
>> email.
>> Remember not everyone (ie myself ) is in a position to download and read
>> the
>> k-factor on-line.
>>
>> Applying the increase to those who renewed before then is like you 
>> signing
>> on the line to buy a car and being told a week later by the dealer that
>> the
>> price went up a $1000.
>>
>> Paul
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Martin X. Moleski, SJ <moleski at canisius.edu>
>> To: NSRCA Mailing List <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2006 1:07 PM
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] NSRCA Dues Increase
>>
>>
>>> Anthony Abdullah wrote:
>>>
>>> > Silly quesion:
>>>
>>> > After a long pattern lay off for grad school and such I am returning 
>>> > in
>>> > full force. Part of that included renewing my NSRCA membership. When I
>>> > downloaded and printed the form from the NSRCA website the dues was
>>> > listed as $30.00 and that is how much the check was written for (just
>>> > two days ago). Do I need to send an additional check for $10.00 or is
>>> > the price increse effective Jan 1?
>>>
>>> There was a missed communication between Lamar and myself early in
>>> December, so I didn't hear about the change in dues until two or
>>> three days ago.
>>>
>>> The law is probably on your side, if you want to take the time
>>> to take it to court.
>>>
>>> It would be a huge kindness to simply send along another $10 check.
>>>
>>> I believe the forms have all been updated.
>>>
>>> I'm hoping to work on the Paypal front end over this vacation.
>>> It hasn't been satisfactory for a couple of years ... my bad.
>>>
>>> Marty
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