[NSRCA-discussion] MID AIR COLLISIONS

[Jay Marshall]

I still advocate flying tracks that are inclined slightly to each other (~10
- 20 deg) rather than parallel and possible in the same plane. This way the
possibility of collision is greatly reduced. It would just require two sets
of field markers. 

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[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Jim Woodward
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Being that I was involved and lost a plane with less than 50 flights,
I've been thinking about the mid-airs.  If anything, perhaps the extreme
blowing -in condition had a way of compressing the box a bit.  Also, it
would have been nice to hear a "pull-up!"  I'm not sure it was even
foreseeable though by my caller or I.  We certainly were not flying
formation - this was a head-on deal in the lower corner of the right
side of the box.  What is funny is that I've flown many days with the
Sunday-Armada reenacting Midway, and no problems.  

It also highlights a huge problem with a mid-level finished plane's
availability.  There are $479 ARFs available, there are $3000+ ARF's
available, but there are no new/credible $1000'ish ARF's available, on
the shelf somewhere, waiting to be bought.  While our options have
increased greatly over the last 2 years, you still need to plan ahead
for these custom babies!!
Thanks,
Jim W.


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[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Dean
Pappas
Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 9:53 AM
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Even fancier Physics: if both of them are going very, very, very fast,
and possess great energy there is a small
(and I do mean small) probability they can occupy the same spece.

Dean Pappas
Sr. Design Engineer
Kodeos Communications
111 Corporate Blvd.
South Plainfield, N.J. 07080
(908) 222-7817 phone
(908) 222-2392 fax
d.pappas at kodeos.com


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[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]On Behalf Of Ken
Thompson
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Very simple physics...two objects can not occupy the same space at the
same 
time...;-)


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "JShulman" <jshulman at cfl.rr.com>
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Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 5:59 PM
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> there's an easy answer, stay out of the same air space as the other 
> pilot...
> lol.
>
> Regards,
> Jason
> www.jasonshulman.com
> www.shulmanaviation.com
> www.composite-arf.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]On Behalf Of R.
LIPRIE
> Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 6:50 PM
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>
>
> lolol..    I like to study and watch and determine how to avoid
them.....
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "JShulman" <jshulman at cfl.rr.com>
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> Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 5:50 PM
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>
>
>> Man Matthew... what intrigues you so much about others mid-airs?
>>
>> Regards,
>> Jason
>> www.jasonshulman.com
>> www.shulmanaviation.com
>> www.composite-arf.com
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
>> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]On Behalf Of R.
LIPRIE
>> Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 6:42 PM
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>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] MID AIR COLLISIONS
>>
>>
>> Mike if you find the person who has the video please send it to me...
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "R. LIPRIE" <RLIPRIE at centurytel.net>
>> To: "NSRCA Mailing List" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>> Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 8:45 PM
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] MID AIR COLLISIONS
>>
>>
>>> sounds like a money burning weekend.  I just about had a mid air at
>>> crescent city contest.  I was on a stall turn and apparently he was
on a
>>> vertical climb and my wheels and his wheels were about 4 or 5 inches
>>> apart.  Very scary finally i stopped and stalled made it out alive.
>>> Somehow me and him ended up on the same side of the field.lol.
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Mike Hester" <kerlock at comcast.net>
>>> To: "NSRCA Mailing List" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>> Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 8:38 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] MID AIR COLLISIONS
>>>
>>>
>>>> That was spectacular to say the least. Dean was cooking the box
about
>>>> wide
>>>> open with the Black Magic (prototype with retracts, very fast) and
was
>>>> just
>>>> pulling into a humpty at the end of the box....darn near wide
open.....
>>>>
>>>> Jim was coming down out of a stall turn, about to power up.
>>>>
>>>> BOOOOOOOOOOOMMMM!!!!!!!
>>>>
>>>> That was no glancing blow, that was instant obliteration. Jim's
nomex
>>>> Aggressor pretty much exploded into pieces and went straight down 
>>>> (right
>>>> on
>>>> the poles BTW! in a 25+mph crosswind). Dean's Black Magic turned
into
>>>> something...like a fireworks explosion. Millions of tiny sparkling 
>>>> bits,
>>>> drifting with the wind across the road into pattern plane 
>>>> neverland.....
>>>>
>>>> The last time I saw a mid air that explosive was about 5-6 years
ago
>>>> when
>>>> Emory Schroeter and Mike Hare hit spinner to spinner wide open over
the
>>>> center pole at GMA.....
>>>>
>>>> Lotsa broken planes, but no broken spirits! BTW somebody actually
has a
>>>> picture of the debris cloud still in mid air. There is actually
video
>>>> somewhere of the GMA mid air....just can't find the person who has
it.
>>>>
>>>> -Mike
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: <vellum2 at bellsouth.net>
>>>> To: "NSRCA Mailing List" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>; "NSRCA
>>>> Mailing
>>>> List" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>>> Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 6:49 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] MID AIR COLLISIONS
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Jason has a post on RCU from tangerine, including some mid air
>>>>> aftermath
>>>>> pics.  Let's just say that these light airplanes are pretty
dramatic
>>>>> when
>>>>> they hit!  I've never seen a plane turn into complete confetti at
150
>>>>> feet
>>>>> above the ground before.  POOF.
>>>>>
>>>>> Genesis vs Diesel (Diesel won, but not by much)
>>>>> Aggressor vs Black Magic V1 (All that was left of the BM was a
lonely
>>>>> retract in the Aggressor fuse)
>>>>> Focus 2 RIP
>>>>>
>>>>> Expensive weekend!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> From: "R. LIPRIE" <RLIPRIE at centurytel.net>
>>>>>> Date: 2006/12/11 Mon PM 06:32:37 EST
>>>>>> To: "NSRCA Mailing List" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>>>>> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] MID AIR COLLISIONS
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I herd that the had 2 mid air collisions and one crash at
TANGERINE
>>>>>> CONTEST.  IF anyone has any pics are knows the website that has
the
>>>>>> pics
>>>>>> if you don't mind would you please send them too me i would like
to
>>>>>> see
>>>>>> how the airplanes look.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Matthew Liprie
>>>>>>
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