[NSRCA-discussion] Flight conditions?

[adriancwong at earthlink.net]

Don,

With my WCII, I set up a flight condition on the elevator stick for the P-07 snaps.

First of all, I fly with very little throws on all moving surfaces under normal flying. When it comes time for snaps, with the elevator stick hits full up (+ve snaps), it increass the throw from the normal 9 degrees to about 12 degrees, in turns, it activate the conditon to increase the aileron throws from 8 degrees to 15 degrees. It also decrease the rudder throws.

Give this a try.

Adrian


-----Original Message-----
>From: Don Filteau <don.filteau at sasktel.net>
>Sent: Aug 20, 2006 11:35 PM
>To: NSRCA Mailing List <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Flight conditions?
>
>Hey Ron
>
>To bad they didn't talk about this before I got All my zeros at the last 
>contest
>
>Don
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Adam Glatt" <adam.g at sasktel.net>
>To: "NSRCA Mailing List" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2006 2:13 PM
>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Flight conditions?
>
>
>> Yeah, spin condition has more expo.  I switch conditions shortly after
>> cutting throttle.  The plane is still moving fairly fast, so I'm just
>> holding in normal elevator to maintain inverted flight.  So, I am
>> flicking it on the level flight leading up to the spin, but with our
>> inverted spin entry there is elevator input present when I flick it.
>>
>> Spin and snap are completely different.  Spin is almost no aileron, tons
>> of elevator, and lots of rudder.  Snap is tons of aileron, moderate
>> elevator (this travel is set for the break, not for during the spin -
>> during the spin I hold in only about 1/5 of my elevator stick), and a
>> fair bit of rudder.
>>
>> In my experience, pattern planes spin best with no aileron input.  My
>> Mantis required aileron to do a clean spin entry, but once the rotation
>> has begun I took it completely out.  The Twister seems to require some
>> aileron throughout, as a pure elevator and rudder spin puts it deeply
>> stalled, making hitting the exit very difficult (continues about 1/2 a
>> rotation after I return sticks to center).  It looks better with no
>> aileron, but missing the exit by 45 degrees doesn't look so good.
>>
>> -Adam
>>
>> Emory Schroeter wrote:
>>> So, you have more expo in the spin condition so that it feels the same 
>>> when
>>> you click the switch (when you are already holding in elevator)? I was 
>>> kind
>>> of wondering when to flip the switch. I thought you would do it on the 
>>> level
>>> flight before the maneuver. But, you flip it as you are going into the 
>>> spin?
>>>
>>> Also, why do you need a separate spin and snap condition. I thought those
>>> might be kind of the same so that you would only need two conditions
>>> (snap/spin and regular). What are the differences between the two?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Emory.
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Adam Glatt" <adam.g at sasktel.net>
>>> To: "NSRCA Mailing List" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2006 3:37 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Flight conditions?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> I use my 'aileron dual rate' 3-position  switch as my condition switch
>>>> (JR 10X).  Top is snap, middle is spin, bottom is regular flight.
>>>> Really the only trick I use is fairly carefully set expo on the spin
>>>> condition.  I set spin elevator expo to ensure that as I'm holding
>>>> elevator in and slowing the plane down, that when I switch to spin
>>>> condition (much more elevator throw) the plane doesn't jump.  So, about
>>>> 1/8 - 1/4 elevator stick input is the same output on spin and regular
>>>> conditions.
>>>> -Adam
>>>>
>>>> Emory Schroeter wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Alright, since it's kind of quiet today, let me see if we can get some
>>>>> discussion going. Up until now, I have been flying without using any
>>>>> kind of dual rate or flight conditions. My theory was that the less
>>>>> stuff I had to flip on the TX, the better. I just dialed in a fair
>>>>> amount of expo to try and keep it smooth.
>>>>>
>>>>> In Ocala this year, Jason Shulman was flying my 1st Black Magic, may
>>>>> it rest in pieces...I mean peace. He felt that I was giving up a lot
>>>>> by not having reduced throws to make things smoother and using dual
>>>>> rates or conditions for snaps and spins. So, I am getting ready to set
>>>>> up my radio for a snap flight condition. My question is what kinds of
>>>>> tricks or changes do you use for this other than the obvious increase
>>>>> in throws? I am using a Futaba 9WCII and I am currently flying masters.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks in advance,
>>>>> Emory Schroeter.
>>>>>
>>
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