[NSRCA-discussion] Flight conditions?

[Don Filteau]

Hey Ron

To bad they didn't talk about this before I got All my zeros at the last 
contest

Don
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Adam Glatt" <adam.g at sasktel.net>
To: "NSRCA Mailing List" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2006 2:13 PM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Flight conditions?


> Yeah, spin condition has more expo.  I switch conditions shortly after
> cutting throttle.  The plane is still moving fairly fast, so I'm just
> holding in normal elevator to maintain inverted flight.  So, I am
> flicking it on the level flight leading up to the spin, but with our
> inverted spin entry there is elevator input present when I flick it.
>
> Spin and snap are completely different.  Spin is almost no aileron, tons
> of elevator, and lots of rudder.  Snap is tons of aileron, moderate
> elevator (this travel is set for the break, not for during the spin -
> during the spin I hold in only about 1/5 of my elevator stick), and a
> fair bit of rudder.
>
> In my experience, pattern planes spin best with no aileron input.  My
> Mantis required aileron to do a clean spin entry, but once the rotation
> has begun I took it completely out.  The Twister seems to require some
> aileron throughout, as a pure elevator and rudder spin puts it deeply
> stalled, making hitting the exit very difficult (continues about 1/2 a
> rotation after I return sticks to center).  It looks better with no
> aileron, but missing the exit by 45 degrees doesn't look so good.
>
> -Adam
>
> Emory Schroeter wrote:
>> So, you have more expo in the spin condition so that it feels the same 
>> when
>> you click the switch (when you are already holding in elevator)? I was 
>> kind
>> of wondering when to flip the switch. I thought you would do it on the 
>> level
>> flight before the maneuver. But, you flip it as you are going into the 
>> spin?
>>
>> Also, why do you need a separate spin and snap condition. I thought those
>> might be kind of the same so that you would only need two conditions
>> (snap/spin and regular). What are the differences between the two?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Emory.
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Adam Glatt" <adam.g at sasktel.net>
>> To: "NSRCA Mailing List" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2006 3:37 PM
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Flight conditions?
>>
>>
>>
>>> I use my 'aileron dual rate' 3-position  switch as my condition switch
>>> (JR 10X).  Top is snap, middle is spin, bottom is regular flight.
>>> Really the only trick I use is fairly carefully set expo on the spin
>>> condition.  I set spin elevator expo to ensure that as I'm holding
>>> elevator in and slowing the plane down, that when I switch to spin
>>> condition (much more elevator throw) the plane doesn't jump.  So, about
>>> 1/8 - 1/4 elevator stick input is the same output on spin and regular
>>> conditions.
>>> -Adam
>>>
>>> Emory Schroeter wrote:
>>>
>>>> Alright, since it's kind of quiet today, let me see if we can get some
>>>> discussion going. Up until now, I have been flying without using any
>>>> kind of dual rate or flight conditions. My theory was that the less
>>>> stuff I had to flip on the TX, the better. I just dialed in a fair
>>>> amount of expo to try and keep it smooth.
>>>>
>>>> In Ocala this year, Jason Shulman was flying my 1st Black Magic, may
>>>> it rest in pieces...I mean peace. He felt that I was giving up a lot
>>>> by not having reduced throws to make things smoother and using dual
>>>> rates or conditions for snaps and spins. So, I am getting ready to set
>>>> up my radio for a snap flight condition. My question is what kinds of
>>>> tricks or changes do you use for this other than the obvious increase
>>>> in throws? I am using a Futaba 9WCII and I am currently flying masters.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks in advance,
>>>> Emory Schroeter.
>>>>
>
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