[NSRCA-discussion] Electric/Glow Pros and Cons

Chad Northeast chad at f3acanada.org
Wed Aug 9 20:36:01 AKDT 2006


Join the 65C club Dave!!!

Chad

Dave Lockhart wrote:

>Seeing the lipo temps I did at the NATs made me feel pretty good I'll be on
>the high side of the average for lipo longevity!  <G>
>
>A couple guys flew in quite a bit of rain in the finals, and my last flight
>was quite rainy.  With the wind from my back, and a 6+ foot
>windblock/caller/Dad behind me, I didn't get as wet as I might have, and my
>TX (my biggest concern) stayed pretty dry.  I checked the inside of the
>plane immediately after the flight, and found no (none, zero, nada) water
>droplets or moist surfaces inside the nose of the plane.
>
>Regards,
>Dave
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
>[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Chad
>Northeast
>Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2006 6:49 PM
>To: NSRCA Mailing List
>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Electric/Glow Pros and Cons
>
>I had 6 packs at the Nats, 4 of them had between 100-110 cycles, 2 of 
>them had 30 cycles.....I didnt pick or choose, they all flew a round 
>here and there during the contest.  In fact I flew my oldest set (built 
>June 5 of last year) during the Finals.
>
>There is no discernable performance difference in the packs while 
>flying.  All of them have been abused somewhat (ask Dave L what I do to 
>my batteries ;) )....sat over winter at a wide variety of charge 
>levels.  They are the same packs I flew in France last summer at the WC's. 
>
>All in all I think they have been pretty solid, I dont think I have done 
>anything special to them to prolong life.  Although I will guess that 
>the failure will be abrupt and could come at any time now....so I wont 
>hazard a guess as to how long I think they will last.  I think its been 
>calculated before around 150-200 cycles to break even compared to a 
>160DZ on 30%.  Thats with $600 give or take packs.
>
>Flying in the rain....I have not had a problem, and I would be much more 
>concerned about my Tx getting wet than my motor, or other components in 
>the plane.
>
>Chad
>
>vicenterc at comcast.net wrote:
>
>  
>
>>Dave,
>> 
>>That is why underline AVERAGE.  That is the number we need.  This is 
>>like when we go to las Vegas.  We are very open and willing to 
>>inform how much we WIN but we never tell how much we loose.  Well is 
>>also similar to how much we spend in this hobby.  I always tell my 
>>wife that is cheaper than bars and women but the real number is a secret.
>> 
>>Vicente "Vince" Bortone
>> 
>>
>>    -------------- Original message --------------
>>    From: DaveL322 at comcast.net
>>    Closer to 220 accumulated from spring of 2005 to spring of 2006,
>>    at which time they were shifted to sport use.  In any case, I'm
>>    not aware of many packs going 200+ flights for pattern use.
>>     
>>    Regards,
>>
>>    Dave Lockhart
>>    DaveL322 at comcast.net <mailto:DaveL322 at comcast.net>
>>     
>>     
>>
>>        -------------- Original message --------------
>>        From: "Scott Anderson" <scott at rcfoamy.com>
>>
>>        > Joe,
>>        > your right but that was after hitting 300..
>>        > anyhow food for thought..
>>        >
>>        > s.
>>        > ----- Original Message -----
>>        > From: "Joe Lachowski"
>>        > To:
>>        > Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2006 1:27 PM
>>        > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Electric/Glow Pros and Cons
>>        >
>>        >
>>        > > Yeah, but I believe that pack has been religated to sport
>>        use though.
>>        > >
>>        > >
>>        > >>From: "Scott Anderson"
>>        > >>Reply-To: NSRCA Mailing List
>>        > >>To: "NSRCA Mailing List"
>>        > >>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Electric/Glow Pros and C!
>>        ! ons < BR>> >>Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 13:23:42 -0400
>>        > >>
>>        > >>Dan Landis has about 300 flights on a set of Tanic 10s
>>        packs...
>>        > >>
>>        > >>scott anderson
>>        > >>Team Tanicpacks.com
>>        > >>Team Castle Creations
>>        > >>----- Original Message -----
>>        > >>From: "Adam Glatt"
>>        > >>To: "NSRCA Mailing List"
>>        > >>Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2006 1:23 PM
>>        > >>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Electric/Glow Pros and Cons
>>        > >>
>>        > >>
>>        > >> >I put 40-50 cycles on my packs last year and then sold
>>        them last Fall
>>        > >> > for half of retail price. So make that $325 / 50flights
>>        = $6.5/flight.
>>        > >> > Still very expensive - the cost of batteries must come
>>        down for
>>        > >> > electric
>>        > >> > to be for everyone.
>>        > >&! gt;! ; > Adam Glatt
>>        > >> > Team Thunder Power
>>        > >> >
>>        > >> > vicenterc at comcast.net wrote:
>>        > >> >> 60 cycles _average _sounds correct base on the
>>        information I got from
>>        > >> >> a well know pattern pilot. Therefore the approximate
>>        cost is about
>>        > >> >> $10/flight. Glow engines are around $2-3/flight.
>>        Definitively cost
>>        > >> >> is an important part of the decision process.
>>        > >> >>
>>        > >> >> Vicente "Vince" Bortone
>>        > >> >>
>>        > >> >>
>>        > >> >> -------------- Original message --------------
>>        > >> >> From: "Richard Strickland"
>>        > >> >>
>>        > >> >> > Just how much did Jay PAY for those batts? And that
>>        is part of
>>        > >> >> my point-for
>>        > >> >> > non sponsored! guys! -batter y care and feeding is a
>>        real issue to
>>        > >> >> stretch cycle
>>        > >> >> > times. Even if he paid list, it's his job, in
>>        effect. Most of us
>>        > >> >> are
>>        > >> >> > scrambling to find the best we can for the money and
>>        then trying
>>        > >> >> to protect
>>        > >> >> > the investment. And many guys don't know there's care
>>        > >> >> required-until the
>>        > >> >> > batteries shoot craps at 60 cycles.
>>        > >> >> >
>>        > >> >> > RS
>>        > >> >> >
>>        > >> >> > -----Original Message-----
>>        > >> >> > From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
>>        > >> >> > [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On
>>        Behalf Of
>>        > >> >> Scott Smith
>>        > >> >> > Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2006 6:02 ! PM
>>        &! gt; > ;> >> > To: NSRCA Mailing List
>>        > >> >> > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discu! ssion] Electric/Glow Pros
>>        and Cons
>>        > >> >> >
>>        > >> >> > But why keep 'em cool? I saw Jason sitting in his
>>        van with the
>>        > >> >> engine
>>        > >> >> > running at the Nat's on Thursday with his batteries
>>        up on the
>>        > >> >> dash...I don't
>>        > >> >> > think he had the AC running!
>>        > >> >> >
>>        > >> >> > I too am on the fence and have decided to give E a
>>        try for next
>>        > >> >> year as it
>>        > >> >> > will allow me to fly at local turf farms where glow
>>        fuel is not
>>        > >> >> allowed.
>>        > >> >> >
>>        > >> >> > Anybody interested in a glow Brio?
>>        > >> >> >
>>        > >> >> > Scott
>>        > &g! t;> >> ! > *> >> >> > -----Original Message-----
>>        > >> >> > From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
>>        > >> >> > [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]On
>>        Behalf Of
>>        > >> >> Jay
>>        > >> >> > Marshall
>>        > >> >> > Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2006 6:40 PM
>>        > >> >> > To: 'NSRCA Mailing List'
>>        > >> >> > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Electric/Glow Pros
>>        and Cons
>>        > >> >> >
>>        > >> >> >
>>        > >> >> > Sounds like a foam cooler and a bag of ice should
>>        keep them
>>        > >> >> cool.
>>        > >> >> >
>>        > >> >> > -----Original Message-----
>>        > >> >> > From:! nsrca- discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
>>        > >> >> > [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On
>>        Be! half Of
>>        > &g! t;> >> Richard
>>        > >> >> > Strickland
>>        > >> >> > Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2006 6:36 PM
>>        > >> >> > To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>>        > >> >> > Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Electric/Glow Pros and Cons
>>        > >> >> >
>>        > >> >> > Just having a debate with myself on the pros and
>>        cons for the
>>        > >> >> long haul.....
>>        > >> >> > Seems like it's been hovering around 95-100F around
>>        here since
>>        > >> >> early June.
>>        > >> >> > I'm not liking the fairly significant batt. temp.
>>        rise from
>>        > >> >> ambient. (batt.
>>        > >> >> > life issues) The batts have to sit in a fairly hot
>>        car all
>>        > >> >> day-charged for
>>        > >> >> > practice in the evening. I have to make a decision
>>        the nite b4
>>        > &! gt;> >> to fly o! r
>>        & gt; >> >> > not the next day to charge. Batteries are still
>>        damned expensive
>>        > >> >> even if
>>        > >> >> > you get a decent deal and the jury is still out on
>>        longevity
>>        > >> >> Gotta grease
>>        > >> >> > things fairly often. Heavy. But they are cleaner and
>>        easier to
>>        > >> >> manage at
>>        > >> >> > the field! . Glow engines, when driven to the
>>        max-like I do-tend
>>        > >> >> to have
>>        > >> >> > their own share of issues, somewhat messy, and
>>        require more
>>        > >> >> field equipment
>>        > >> >> > at the line. The bigger units require A LOT of fuel
>>        to make all
>>        > >> >> that power.
>>        > >> >> > But I feel I can fly them no matter how hot it is
>>        and not worry
>>        > >> >> about them
>>        > >> >> &g! t; (as much). Deciding to fly is! a matt er of
>>        just GOING.
>>        > >> >> >
>>        > >> >> > I'm just throwing this out there in case anyone else
>>        is having
>>        > >> >> similar
>>        > >> >> > thoughts... ho-hum...
>>        > >> >> >
>>        > >> >> > RS
>>        > >> >> >
>>        > >> >> >
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>>From:
>>DaveL322 at comcast.net
>>Date:
>>Wed, 9 Aug 2006 18:10:11 +0000
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