[NSRCA-discussion] The Pilot

BUDDYonRC at aol.com BUDDYonRC at aol.com
Wed Apr 5 09:51:19 AKDT 2006


 
The truth is if it is easy to obtain it ain't worth much!
Buddy
 
 
In a message dated 4/5/2006 12:07:27 PM Central Daylight Time,  
seefo at san.rr.com writes:

 
Careful Dave.. That’s  not politically correct these days. 
I also happen to  agree with you 100%. 
-Doug 
 
  
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From:  nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org  
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of  DaveL322 at comcast.net
Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 8:47  AM
To: NSRCA Mailing List
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] The  Pilot
 
Recently, in the US, the idea  that "we are all winners" and everyone should 
be awarded for participating and  trying hard in competive environments has 
been propagated in many  areas.
 

 
There is no doubt that we could easily create enough  categories (Jr, Sr, 
Open, unsponsored, over 60, most improved, etc) such that  everyone could be a 
winner at every pattern  contest.
 

 
The take away I saw from the emails from Ed and Matt  was pretty simple - 
pattern competition is just that - competition.  And  all competitions 
traditionally recognize the top finisher, or the top 3, or  top 10%, with 
awards/trophies/etc.  I'm with Ed and Matt - I like the  award system in pattern the way it 
is, just my opinion.  Promoting  pattern and encouraging growth/participation 
are a separate issue with many  avenues available outside of 
awards/trophies/etc, again, just my  opinion.
 

 
Regards,
 

Dave Lockhart
 
_DaveL322 at comcast.net_ (mailto:DaveL322 at comcast.net) 
 

 

 


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From: "Grow Pattern" <pattern4u at comcast.net>   
 
Let' not forget that this  is a discussion list, by name and by definition, 
so please don't be  discouraged by Mat's and similar e-mails, below. Just tell 
us what you  think, it will encourage others to contribute their ideas.  
 

 
The idea of creating an NSRCA  discussion-list, based upon the original 
Eskimo-list, was to tap into  the great pool of pattern knowledge and openly 
discuss ideas and  issues. In particular share technical  tips and product news etc. 
 Unfortunately we sometimes slip into the behavior of the poor-taste ads seen 
 these days in political campaigns. I am not immune from making this  
mistake, and I know how easy it is to fall into the  trap.
 

 
Please keep contributing your  creative thoughts and don't allow yourself to 
be engineered out of the  game.
 

 
Regards,

Eric.

 
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From: _rcmaster199 at aol.com_ (mailto:rcmaster199 at aol.com)   
 
To: _nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org_ 
(mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org)   
 
Sent:  Monday, April 03, 2006 11:52 PM
 
Subject: Re:  [NSRCA-discussion] The Pilot
 

 
 
 
Indeed Ed! Do you guys  REALLY think that the first guy who placed just 
behind all the "Sponsored"  pilots and has just be awarded 1st Place of the 
AlsoRans believes he came  in first??
 

 
Let me add....Give us all a  break and deliver us from.....email. Pure, 
unadulterated Bovine Skat.  Actually I wouldn't mind a little Ice Cream after the 
movie as long as I  get to wear my beenie cap
 

 
Matt

-----Original  Message-----
From: Ed Alt <ed_alt at hotmail.com>
To:  patternrules at earthlink.net; NSRCA Mailing  List 
<nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent:  Mon, 3 Apr 2006 23:36:11 -0400
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] The  Pilot 
 
I didn't  know we had such a big issue re. sponsored Intermediate/Advanced   
guys  beating up on everyone else.  C'mon guys, this is starting to sound   
like what  they've done to Tee-Ball.  There's no losers, you're all winners.  
 
No red ink  when grading Johnnie's test in school either, it might hurt his   
self  esteem.   Aaaarggh! 
I have the  answer.  The CD should take ALL the flyers out for ice cream   
after the  contest. 
Ed 
-----  Original Message -----  
From:  "Steven Maxwell" <_patternrules at earthlink.net_ 
(mailto:patternrules at earthlink.net) > 
To:  "NSRCA Mailing List" <_nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org_ 
(mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org) > 
Sent:  Monday, April 03, 2006 11:24 PM 
Subject:  Re: [NSRCA-discussion] The Pilot 
> Now  that's not a bad idea Eric, plagues aren't that much and if they  
place 
> that  high will probably only be once, they'll probably get sponsors  after 

>  that. 
>  
> Steven  Maxwell 
>  
>  
>  
>  
>>  [Original Message] 
>>  From: Grow Pattern <_pattern4u at comcast.net_ 
(mailto:pattern4u at comcast.net) > 
>>  To: NSRCA Mailing List <_nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org_ 
(mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org) > 
>>  Date: 4/3/2006 10:38:33 PM 
>>  Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] The  Pilot 
>>  
>>  BTW - in my original postings I was only leading to suggesting  the 
>  thought 
>>  that the winners who are not sponsored should be recognized within  a 
>  class 
>>  and or given their own "highest amateur award, or something like  that. 
>>  
>>  Regards, 
>>  
>>  Eric. 
>>  
>>  ----- Original Message -----  
>>  From: "White, Chris" <_chris at ssd.fsi.com_ (mailto:chris at ssd.fsi.com) > 
>>  To: "NSRCA Mailing List" <_nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org_ 
(mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org) > 
>>  Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 2:54 PM 
>>  Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] The  Pilot 
>>  
>>  
>>  >I wish to offend no one, but wanted to give another  perspective. 
>>  > 
>>  > I'm SURE that sponsorship is an advantage....but it is still up to  the 
>>  > pilot to get out there and practice with determination and the intent   
>>  > to 
>>  > be the best he can be.  Yeah, I wish I didn't have to risk so  much  
>>  > money 
>>  > every time that bird goes in the air. But, sponsorship probably  
doesn't 
>>  > buy personal satisfaction for many.  We are all trying to be the  best  
>>  > we 
>>  > can even if our funds or participation is limited.  We are  striving 
for 
>>  > that perfect flight, for equipment that is reliable, for airplanes  
that 
>>  > keep getting better, for friendships that grow & grow. We could   
>>  > probably 
>>  > spend far less money and buy trophies or plaques...but the real value   
>>  > in 
>>  > competition is FUN....FUN....FUN.  It doesn't seem to matter  where 
I've 
>>  > been...I've had a great time and everyone helps everyone get  their 
>>  > rounds in...even if they know that pilot could beat them out of  that 
>>  > round.  Never have I seen so many good people, trying so hard to  
become 
>>  > their personal best no matter what their interest in  competition.  
Some 
>>  > guys are striving to be the best pilots, best designers, best  
builders, 
>>  > best innovators...but mainly they are trying to see that  competition 
>>  > flying stays healthy and will do their dead-level best to promote   
>>  > anyone 
>>  > to their best.  I haven't flown with anyone I didn't like,  admire or 
>>  > respect in one way or another.  Sponsors...please keep  
sponsoring...may 
>>  > you sell tons of stuff and may the sport live on and prosper.   Thanks  
>>  > to 
>>  > anyone who encourages another...that is what makes the sport grow.  
I've 
>>  > been blessed to see few sour grapes....most of the guys are just glad   
>>  > to 
>>  > spend a weekend flying their best with friends, family and  new 
>>  > acquaintances. 
>>  > 
>>  > To all the sponsored guys....thanks for your promotion, hard work,  and 
>>  > for showing us your skills.  I love to watch good flying  regardless of 
>>  > who's doing it, or how many advantages they may have...more power  to 
>>  > you!  I was fortunate enough to spend a nats next door to Quique  and  
>>  > his 
>>  > family.  I caught Quique at his van checking equipment, as I was  
doing, 
>>  > and we talked for a while.  I discovered that this great pilot  loves  
>>  > all 
>>  > this stuff just like I do.... You top guys just keep flying pretty  and 
>>  > we'll always have something to aim for....:)  Oh, and along  the 
>>  > way...thanks for the show! 
>>  > 
>>  > "It's not the destination, It's the Journey"   (What makes  the journey 
>>  > worthwhile?) 
>>  > 
>>  > In any case, I wish to participate to any degree that I can.  Sometimes 
>>  > when I'm practicing I see something come together really well and  it 
>>  > makes me feel precise..and I'm like: "Yeah baby"....that's why I like   
>>  > to 
>>  > fly pattern! 
>>  > 
>>  > Chris 
>>  > 
>>  > 
>>  > 
>>  > 
>>  > -----Original Message----- 
>>  > From: _nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org_ 
(mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org)  
>>  > [_mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org_ 
(mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org) ]  On Behalf Of Michael 
>>  > Wickizer 
>>  > Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 12:49  PM 
>>  > To: _nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org_ 
(mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org)  
>>  > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] The  Pilot 
>>  > 
>>  > How many pilots in Intermediate and Advanced have an advantage due  to 
>>  > sponsorship? 
>>  > 
>>  > 
>>  >>From: "Del K. Rykert" <_drykert2 at rochester.rr.com_ 
(mailto:drykert2 at rochester.rr.com) > 
>>  >>Reply-To: NSRCA Mailing  List <_nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org_ 
(mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org) > 
>>  >>To: "NSRCA Mailing  List" <_nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org_ 
(mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org) > 
>>  >>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] The  Pilot 
>>  >>Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2006 11:42:13  -0400 
>>  >> 
>>  >>Sponsorship does have negative aspects also Nat.  Well true,  that the 
>>  >>majority of sponsored pilots have garnered their sponsorship  through 
>>  > their 
>>  >>genuine ability this has not always been the case. Sponsorship,  can 
>>  > give 
>>  >>some pilots, if all other things are equal regarding skill  an 
>>  > advantage. Is 
>>  >>very similar to the argument that it is not the equipment... BUT  the 
>>  > skill 
>>  >>of the pilot that is truly the difference. The truth is  better 
>>  > equipment, 
>>  >>whether obtained through ones own pockets that may be deeper  than 
>>  > others or 
>>  >>through sponsorship does make the workload less for the  competitive 
>>  > pilot 
>>  >>so they can focus more of their energy on improving their  skills.  The 
>>  >>disadvantaged always have a harder time overcoming obstacles that  
money 
>>  > or 
>>  >>sponsorship does allow. IMHO. 
>>  >>     The raw numbers of competitors is low  enough without making a new 
>>  >>group of sponsored pilots. But it might help if sponsored pilots  were 
>>  > only 
>>  >>allowed in the Masters & FAI classes if there ever was a need  to 
>>  > address 
>>  >>the issue. 
>>  >> 
>>  >>                   Del 
>>  >>           nsrca  - 473 
>>  >> 
>>  >> 
>>  >>   ----- Original Message  ----- 
>>  >>   From: Nat Penton 
>>  >>   To: NSRCA Mailing  List 
>>  >>   Sent: Sunday, April 02, 2006 5:29  PM 
>>  >>   Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] The  Pilot 
>>  >> 
>>  >> 
>>  >>   The sponsored pilot received his sponsorship because  of his skill 
>>  > and 
>>  >>dedication. He did not gain competitive advantage due to  the 
>>  > sponsorship. 
>>  >>It is a priviledge and opportunity to be able to fly alongside  this 
>>  > talent 
>>  >>and partake of their skills and knowledge. It is one aspect of  the 
>>  > hobby 
>>  >>for which I am most  appreciative. 
>>  >> 
>>  >>   There have been infrequent critizisms thru the years  wanting to put 
>>  > the 
>>  >>sponsored pilot in a separate group. Maybe "sour grapes" should  just 
>>  > work a 
>>  >>little harder. 
>>  >>                                                    Nat Penton 
>>  >> 
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