FW: F3A judges for local comps

[Atwood, Mark]

We have done this several times with our masters group with OK
success...it's not ideal, but it can work and is MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH
better than trying to train club judges or even trying to have
Intermediates "Step up" to the challenge.  It's just too easy for
experienced flyers to hide their corrections for them to see...

A few suggestions we learned after our first bout with this.

1) Do NOT throw out highs and lows...  You'll get much less biased and
over all more accurate scores keeping all the scores.

2) you'll need to have 2 pilots not judging...allow the person "on deck"
to not judge the flight prior to flying...gives them time to prep, get
their plane fueled, radio ready, and most important...time to rest their
eyes and collect their thoughts.

3) YOU MUST "redraw" the flight order each round.  You can't simply
rotate the pilots up and down.  If you do, the same judges will always
be on/off for a given pilot.  If there is a "high" judge (there always
is) or a "Low" judge, you want to make sure everyone has some exposure
to them.  Unfortunately...there is no way to subject the "low" judge to
himself...lol

We usually will remove the person who "started" the round from the draw
to make sure they don't start the round twice in a row, but other than
that, it's a random draw for each round.

Again..this is not the best solution overall, but it's resulted in far
better judging than the alternative.

-Mark

-----Original Message-----
From: discussion-request at nsrca.org [mailto:discussion-request at nsrca.org]
On Behalf Of Peter Pennisi
Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 5:42 PM
To: discussion at nsrca.org
Subject: F3A judges for local comps


We currently have a big problem with the number of experienced flyers
which
show up at comps. We have a healthy number of F3A flyers and a good
number
of new and very inexperienced sportsman class flyers. Unfortunately our
middle ranks have been decimated for reasons I am not really sure about
(that is a topic for another day).

Anyway this leaves us very short for experienced judges who a capable of
judging F3A.

We a going to try an experiment by having F3A flyers judge each other
for
the comp. Lets say we have five F3A flyers -while one fly's the others
judge
that flight which gives us four judges. We will drop the highest and
lowest
scores and the other scores will be averaged to arrive at a flight score
and
so forth.

Results for each of the rounds will not be available until the end of
the
comp and flyers are not to discuss anything about judging the flights
until
the end of the comp.

Has anyone tried this and are there any other suggestions we can use to
make
it work.

The approach will fail if competitors team up to try and force a result
but
the guys involved are not that type. 

What do you all think?

Peter


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