[SPAM] RE: Take Off & Landing "Reality of a Contest"

[Larry Diamond]

Arch,

Although I may agree with you in theory, I struggled with making that call
for my contest. I decided that since I know some people will be attending to
get ready for the NATS, I wanted to provide them with the opportunity to
practice the new rules that would most certainly apply at the NATS.

It did get very interesting. Throughout the contest many seasoned pilots did
not call TO or Landings start or complete. There was one well seasoned pilot
that called TO complete at 6 feet. He most likely would have been zeroed at
the NATS as that would have been the correct score per the rule book. It was
comical, but a big eye opener for all.

Larry

-----Original Message-----
From: discussion-request at nsrca.org [mailto:discussion-request at nsrca.org] On
Behalf Of Arch Stafford
Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2005 6:03 PM
To: discussion at nsrca.org
Subject: RE: Take Off & Landing "Reality of a Contest"

Have to agree with Jim here.  This would be the VERY simple thing to do.
Just state this at the beginning of a contest and be done with it.  Amazing
how such a simple question has been drug out for 10 days with no real
answer.

Arch


-----Original Message-----
From: discussion-request at nsrca.org [mailto:discussion-request at nsrca.org] On
Behalf Of Jim Ivey
Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2005 6:23 PM
To: discussion at nsrca.org
Subject: Re: Take Off & Landing "Reality of a Contest"

Larry
 I don't see what is wrong or needs to be changed from the old way of ----
calling take-off complete at the altitude of 6 ft or 2 meters. Or calling
landing beginning at  6ft or 2 meters. Why confuse everybody with something
to do between takeoff complete and entry to the box and the exit box call
and landing. It is the FAI procedure that requires the takeoff sequence.. We
don't need a sequence.It wastes time and gives the judges more work,when it
has no function. 
It is simple, takeoff complete at 2 meters or 6ft and enter the box.  Exit
box and landing beginning at 2 meters or 6ft.
I don't understand how this got so confusing when it was so simple.

Jim Ivey
> 
> From: "Larry Diamond" <lld613 at psci.net>
> Date: 2005/05/22 Sun PM 05:57:06 EDT
> To: "NSRCA" <discussion at nsrca.org>
> Subject: Take Off & Landing "Reality of a Contest"
> 
> I know there has been much discussion on this, but after CDing a contest
> this weekend, I believe there needs to be a clear understanding of what is
> expected in two areas.
> 
> 1)	When to call "Take-Off complete / Landing commencing". When does it
> need to be called? After exiting the Box for the last maneuver for
Landing.
> Prior to entering the box for the trim pass on Take-Off. This is what
makes
> sense to me from CDing a contest.
> 
> 2)	Is a Dead-Stick Landing a "Zero Landing"? At the beginning of our
> contest I stated that we would not zero TO / L for calling. So we scored
all
> landings. However, if a dead-stick prevents completing the prescribed
> maneuver, then a zero is really the most likely result at the NATS. I
don't
> believe this was intended.
> 
> The Judging committee should really jump on this and get clarification out
> as quickly as possible for the "Official Judge Ruling" People are trying
to
> practice this and although seemingly easy on paper, the execution of
calling
> and judging properly does get a bit confusing...We need to make sure
> everyone is practicing this correctly before the NATS or it will be a
> potential area of concern for the CD's...
> 
> Larry Diamond
> NSRCA 3083
> 
> 

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