calling complete for new takeoff

[Grow Pattern]

Mark, 
         Your note really caught my attention.

I  have submitted many of the rules changes on behalf of the NSRCA. In the section called Proposal logic, there is a reference to the NSRCA survey result or the Precision Aerobatics SIG. I went and read some old ones before I typed this and it is not very obvious until you get to that section, where the proposal comes from. I think that this is because the proposal is designed fro individual submission.

I know that we sent the NSRCA survey results in as well as the proposals. We also put them in the K-Factor and on the web-site. But this may well not be enough.

We can do better.

If fact Lamar already plans to have the results of the next NSRCA survey broken down by AMA district so that AMA Contest Board members can see how their districts voted on the proposals.

Based upon what you explained I now see that we should include the results per proposal, very early in the text of the proposals to allow board members to clearly see the source of the change request. I really appreciate your candor because it helps us do a better job in the future.

Regards,

Eric.

P.S.  I am reliably informed that Vern was not the only one who misunderstood the English of the landing and take-off change and unintentionally voted the wrong way. Maybe we can get the board to re-vote on the subject due to the announced confusion? Or we could put in a Urgent proposal to have them vote again?







----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Ken Thompson III 
  To: discussion at nsrca.org 
  Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 6:35 AM
  Subject: Re: calling complete for new takeoff


  Very well said Mark.  Thank you for sharing  information that has eluded the masses. This helps me understand a little of how things are done.
  I like to know all of these things, I'm anal like that.
  Ken
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Atwood, Mark 
    To: discussion at nsrca.org 
    Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 10:54 PM
    Subject: RE: calling complete for new takeoff


    I'm not sure why I feel the need to jump in here.But before things get ugly, I'd like to make a few simple points known from the perspective of at least this contest board member.

     

    We (I) try to do what's in the best interest of the entire aerobatic community, both Pattern and IMAC (though we'll soon only be worrying about Pattern is seems)     The desires of the masses.namely the NSRCA and the IMAC sig, are taken strongly into account, but are also weighed with the experience that put us on the board in the first place.

     

    Regarding the specific vote on the scored landings I think a few things need to be made clear.  

     

    1)       If it were voted on again.it would not pass.  Vern has been more than forthright, and equally apologetic that he voted for the change in error.  But even so, he's not the scapegoat, there were several votes for in addition to his.

    2)       Rule change entries are made by individuals.Not the NSRCA.  The final packet that I received had no delineation between NSRCA "supported" rules, and those submitted by single members.  As such, unless someone is an NSRCA member, and an online active one at that.  It would be very difficult to separate a "supported" rule change, from one that was submitted by the same leadership, but was actually counter to the group's desires.  In other words, it would not surprise me if someone said they thought they were voting for an NSRCA supported rule change, only to find out that it was not.

     

    This is a hobby.clearly one we all (including myself) take juuuuuuust a little too seriously, but a hobby none the less.  I'm pretty sure everyone involved at all levels is only trying to make it a little more fun for themselves and those they participate with.  I like to give everyone the benefit of the doubt that their choices and decisions, however skewed they may seem to me.were made with good intentions towards that goal.  There is little else to be gained..

     

    -Mark

     

     

     

     

     


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    From: discussion-request at nsrca.org [mailto:discussion-request at nsrca.org] On Behalf Of RUDDERCABL at aol.com
    Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 10:28 PM
    To: discussion at nsrca.org
    Subject: Re: calling complete for new takeoff

     

    In a message dated 5/15/2005 10:25:01 PM Eastern Standard Time, vanputte at cox.net writes:

      It may have been clear, but it was incorrect.  Trying to tell the 
      contest board members what to do is like herding cats.  Anyone who 
      thinks otherwise is either uninformed or just deliberately acting 
      stupid.

      Ron Van Putte

    You obviously have the "desires" of the "people" confused with anarchest overthrow of the government !

     

    Nobody tried to "tell" the contest board what to do. At least not us "uninformed" or "deliberately stupid". I'm "uninformed". Which are you?

     

    Robert Gainey 
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