[SPAM] RE: [SPAM] Re: [SPAM] RE: [SPAM] Re: [SPAM] RE: [SPAM] Re: PCM lock out servo mvt

Fri Mar 11 10:51:31 AKST 2005

Hi Nat,
I would think that between dihedral and wing sweep, you could get there.
FF models are generally stable in the D/T, but I don't expect a Patternn ship to ever be.
Besides, imagine the failsafe D/T triggering while inverted.
33 teeny-tiny loops later ...

Dean Pappas
Sr. Design Engineer
Kodeos Communications
111 Corporate Blvd.
South Plainfield, N.J. 07080
(908) 222-7817 phone
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d.pappas at kodeos.com

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[mailto:discussion-request at nsrca.org]On Behalf Of Nat Penton
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Dean,
Idon't know what the requirements would be for a stable
   'Elevator'.( For the parachute a low cg ). Probably not possible with 
pattern designs.      Nat

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dean Pappas" <d.pappas at kodeos.com>
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> Nat,
> Would that be because the fin is on the bottom?
>
> Dean Pappas
> Sr. Design Engineer
> Kodeos Communications
> 111 Corporate Blvd.
> South Plainfield, N.J. 07080
> (908) 222-7817 phone
> (908) 222-2392 fax
> d.pappas at kodeos.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: discussion-request at nsrca.org
> [mailto:discussion-request at nsrca.org]On Behalf Of Nat Penton
> Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 10:20 AM
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> Subject: [SPAM] Re: [SPAM] RE: [SPAM] Re: PCM lock out servo mvt
>
>
> Dean, Great idea ! Some airplanes are more stable in inverted Elevator 
> than
> upright. All of those who have enough elevator to Elevator need to try it
> and report. Maybe no more crashes <BG>!!!!                         Nat
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Dean Pappas" <d.pappas at kodeos.com>
> To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
> Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 8:43 AM
> Subject: [SPAM] RE: [SPAM] Re: PCM lock out servo mvt
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>
>> Hi Nat,
>> You mean a Pattern ship dethermalizer?
>> Has anyone gotten their 3-D ship to Elevator hands-off? By
>> hands-off, I mean absolutely no rudder or aileron corrections needed in
>> order to hit the ground flat.
>> I haven't seen it yet.
>> Regards,
>> Dean
>>
>> Dean Pappas
>> Sr. Design Engineer
>> Kodeos Communications
>> 111 Corporate Blvd.
>> South Plainfield, N.J. 07080
>> (908) 222-7817 phone
>> (908) 222-2392 fax
>> d.pappas at kodeos.com
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: discussion-request at nsrca.org
>> [mailto:discussion-request at nsrca.org]On Behalf Of Nat Penton
>> Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 1:10 AM
>> To: discussion at nsrca.org
>> Subject: [SPAM] Re: PCM lock out servo mvt
>>
>>
>> Eric,
>> I find it impossible to acquire three desired flight positions and press
>> store.Had'nt thought about doing it in the air. Will try and
>> report.Thanks.
>>
>> It's neat to watch 'em soar like a buzzard. A very low and slow descent
>> rate
>> and might even save an airplane.   Nat
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Grow Pattern" <pattern4u at comcast.net>
>> To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 10:36 PM
>> Subject: Re: PCM lock out servo mvt
>>
>>
>>> Nat,
>>>        I am curious as to what you mean by precise failsafe?
>>>
>>> On my radio I set the failsafe by holding the sticks where I want them 
>>> to
>>> be and then press "store".  You can do this while you are flying, or ask
>>> a
>>> friend to press the key for you when the plane is gliding the way you
>>> want
>>> it to.
>>>
>>> Am I missing something that you want in functionality or that Futaba 
>>> has?
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Eric.
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Nat Penton" <natpenton at centurytel.net>
>>> To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
>>> Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 11:08 PM
>>> Subject: Re: PCM lock out servo mvt
>>>
>>>
>>>> Infrequently I cut the 10X transmitter off inflight and see what the
>>>> sailplane capabilities are. If there is one complaint I have regarding
>>>> the 10X it is the way failsafe is programed. It is very difficult toget
>>>> precise flight settings. I understand Futaba failsafe can be precisely
>>>> programed ?
>>>>
>>>> Getting sailplane trim in a pattern plane also can be a little tricky. 
>>>> I
>>>> have never had any fears concerning the radio connection, however. Nat
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>> From: "David Lockhart" <DaveL322 at comcast.net>
>>>> To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 5:25 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: PCM lock out servo mvt
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Agree, the original PCM10 had a programmable time delay - but the
>>>>> failsafe
>>>>> could not be turned off.  The delay could be set to zero, .1, .2, .3
>>>>> seconds
>>>>> (give or take).  The radio would basically go into "hold" until the
>>>>> time
>>>>> delay was reached, and then it would kick into failsafe, if a "good"
>>>>> signal
>>>>> did not return.
>>>>>
>>>>> Dave Lockhart (Team JR)
>>>>> DaveL322 at comcast.net
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Bob Richards" <bob at toprudder.com>
>>>>> To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 2:24 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: PCM lock out servo mvt
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Troy,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > The PCM S used on JR radios today doesn't allow it
>>>>>> > to be turned off.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I stand corrected!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > Now there is an older version of PCM
>>>>>> > that JR still supports called ZPCM the Z was a 512
>>>>>> > PCM and it allowed you to
>>>>>> > set the time delay before it kicked in. And it could
>>>>>> > possible have been a
>>>>>> > turn off thing....I'm not really sure on it as I
>>>>>> > never ran ZPCM.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That may be what I am remembering.
>>>>>>
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