[SPAM] Re: [SPAM] Re: [SPAM] Counting others' AMA points / WAS RE: Rules Changes----Advancement

[Bill Glaze]

Eric's planning on being here--get down here on Friday; we'll give you 
all the sky youse guys need for practice....and remember, we haven't 
been shot in the butt with flying time either.  Been about 3 weeks since 
I've been out.  Presently the temps are in the low 40's, but they warm 
up fast to "livable" on the temp scale.
As far as the BBQ, the Smiths are doing it; if the rest of the world 
ever finds out about how good it is, the R/C pilots won't even be able 
to get close enough to it to get in line.......I told Buff Miller at the 
last BARKS meet, to "just go ahead with the BBQ, if a contest breaks 
out, that'll be O.K. too."

Bill Glaze

Rick Wallace wrote:

> Bill - we're planning to - Ed, me, maybe Anthony, maybe more-- ... but 
> without at least a practice day or two, it the beer and bbq might not 
> be worth the gas to get there... or maybe it will be anyway.
>
> Rick Wallace
>
> >From: Bill Glaze <billglaze at triad.rr.com> >Reply-To: 
> discussion at nsrca.org >To: discussion at nsrca.org >Subject: Re: [SPAM] 
> Re: [SPAM] Counting others' AMA points / WAS RE: Rules 
> Changes----Advancement >Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 08:30:45 -0500 > >Ed: 
> >Come on down here to the contest at Green Sea on the 2nd and 3rd.   
> >Bring your suntan lotion!<G>  Bill Glaze > >Ed Alt wrote: > >>Yeah 
> Rick, I wish I knew what kind of Spring rain dance to do to >>get the 
> weather to break.  About ready to hang myself from the >>workbench 
> rafters here in the Northern NJ tundra.   Gotta go make >>some more 
> greenhouse gases now.  EVERYONE needs to do their part! >>  Ed >> 
> >>     ----- Original Message ----- >>     From: rick wallace 
> <mailto:rickwallace45 at hotmail.com> >>     To: geobet at gis.net 
> <mailto:geobet at gis.net> ; >>discussion at nsrca.org >>     
> <mailto:discussion at nsrca.org> >>     Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2005 
> 11:49 PM >>     Subject: [SPAM] Counting others' AMA points / WAS RE: 
> Rules >>     Changes----Advancement >> >>     Georgie -- >> >>     
> Hmmmm... the only classes where AMA points counting matters >>are 
> >>     Intermediate and Advanced.  I'm seeing 'points abuse' / >>     
> homesteading in a class as a non-issue, at least in D1. Maybe >>I'm 
> >>     missing something... >> >> >> >>     I've been keeping the D1 
> champs points for the last three >>years, >>     and as of 2004 I 
> started tracking all finishing places for all >>     classes for all 
> D1 contests. (great idea, Scott! Thanks) >> >> >> >>     I also kept 
> my own points count thru Intermediate and >>Advanced, >>     and moved 
> up only when I pointed out of each class - and yes, >>that >>     
> meant flying Advanced in 2004 after winning the 2003 Advanced >>     
> district championship  (and NOT repeating as champ, thank you >>very 
> >>     much, Ed! <g>) - because I wasn't ready to move up. >> >> >> 
> >>     I kind of enjoy keeping the District champs stats, and making 
> >>them >>     available to the District via our web page, but I DON"T 
> >>     particularly want to be the district watchdog for counting all 
> >>the >>     AMA points for all our pilots. >> >>      -- Have you 
> seen any evidence of 'points abuse' in D1 >>     Intermediate and 
> Advanced (the only places where it really >>     counts)? In the 5 
> years I've been flying pattern I don't think >>I >>     have. In fact 
> the results seem to indicate the opposite- Guys >>that >>     compete 
> a lot and finish in the top of the class a lot move up >>     within a 
> year or two. >> >>     -- I suspect that, as MattK pointed out a 
> couple days ago, the >>     advent of the 4 year life /duration of AMA 
> points effective >>this >>     year, points will be even less of an 
> issue for the casual >>     Intermediate  / Advanced guy. >> >>     -- 
> I can't believe that a guy can build / assemble / fly / >>     
> maintain a competitive 2meter pattern plane and be incapable >>of 
> >>     keeping his own points count. >> >> >> >>     I'll be happy to 
> discuss AMA points counts with any D1 >>     Intermediate or Advanced 
> guy who doesn't understand what the >>     system's about or how to 
> keep points, and will gladly discuss >>     (OFFLINE / OFFLIST) 
> specifics with anyone who wants to me to >>     investigate whether 
> one of our guys is homesteading in a >>class. >> >> >> >>     But I 
> really am not in favor of activating a system to >>scrutinize >>     
> all 39 (last year's count of total faces that flew in at least >>1 
> >>     D1 contest in Intermediate / Advanced) of our Intermediate and 
> >>     Advanced pilots in hopes of catching a sandbagger. Let's focus 
> >>on >>     having FUN with our toy airplanes -- and deal with 
> suspected >>     exceptions as exceptions. I have no problem at all 
> with >>talking to >>     individuals about how this part of the system 
> works. >> >> >> >>     Thanks for listening - >> >> >> >>     Anyone 
> know a 'no-snow / no-wind' dance we can do to get some >>     PRACTICE 
> weather here in the Northeast??? >> >> >> >>     Rick >> >> >> >> >> 
> >> >> >>     -----Original Message----- >>     From: 
> discussion-request at nsrca.org >>     
> [mailto:discussion-request at nsrca.org] On Behalf Of George >>Kennie 
> >>     Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2005 2:29 PM >>     To: 
> discussion at nsrca.org >>     Subject: Re: Rules Changes----Advancement 
> >> >> >> >>     I think that if the district CD's were required to 
> include the >>     placement of "ALL" competitors(not just the first 3 
> places, >>but >>     everyone in the class) in every class when 
> submitting contest >>     reports to the DVP for inclusion in the 
> K-Factor, then it >>should >>     be a relatively simple task to keep 
> track of accrued totals >>for >>     the season, at the end of which 
> it could be reported in the >>     K-Factor exactly who had pointed 
> out in each class.The DVP's >>     responsibility could be considered 
> fulfilled at that point and >>     have no further requirement to 
> mandate any advancement demands >>on >>     the individuals involved 
> as their peer group would, in all >>     probability, implement that 
> role. >>     Watcha think??? No good????? >>     G. >>     P.S. If the 
> CD's will commit to it, I'd be willing to do the >>math >>     for D1. 
> >> >>     Atwood, Mark wrote: >> >>> >>> >>>     I guess I'm going to 
> recuse myself from this discussion as a >>>lot >>>     of this has 
> never really made sense to me.  I was never able >>>to >>>     console 
> myself from losing a contest by >>>thinking..."hmmm...that >>>     guy 
> that beat me really should have already moved up."  Nor >>>did I 
> >>>     feel any tremendous since of accomplishment when after 
> >>>finishing >>>     2nd all year to someone...I was suddenly 
> finishing 1st >>>because >>>     that person was flying a higher 
> class. >>> >>>     I will say this though...regardless of what "rule" 
> WILL be in >>>     place...there are rules in place now.  There should 
> be a >>>     discussion along side this thread about enforcement.  I 
> think >>>I'm >>>     a proponent of NO rule, simply because that's 
> effectively >>>what we >>>     have in practice today. >>> >>>     We 
> have only a small handful of scoring systems in place, all >>>of 
> >>>     which could produce a simple extract file with 
> >>>participants/AMA >>>     #/Class/placing, etc...that could be 
> submitted to an NSRCA >>>rep >>>     for import into a central 
> database.  I know...I'm not >>>     volunteering either...Lol. >>> 
> >>>     -Mark >>> >> >>

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