[SPAM] Re: [SPAM] Counting others' AMA points / WAS RE: Rules Changes----Advancement

[Bill Glaze]

Ed:
Come on down here to the contest at Green Sea on the 2nd and 3rd.  Bring 
your suntan lotion!<G>  Bill Glaze

Ed Alt wrote:

> Yeah Rick, I wish I knew what kind of Spring rain dance to do to get 
> the weather to break.  About ready to hang myself from the workbench 
> rafters here in the Northern NJ tundra.   Gotta go make some more 
> greenhouse gases now.  EVERYONE needs to do their part!
>  
> Ed
>
>     ----- Original Message -----
>     From: rick wallace <mailto:rickwallace45 at hotmail.com>
>     To: geobet at gis.net <mailto:geobet at gis.net> ; discussion at nsrca.org
>     <mailto:discussion at nsrca.org>
>     Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2005 11:49 PM
>     Subject: [SPAM] Counting others' AMA points / WAS RE: Rules
>     Changes----Advancement
>
>     Georgie --
>
>     Hmmmm... the only classes where AMA points counting matters are
>     Intermediate and Advanced.  I'm seeing 'points abuse' /
>     homesteading in a class as a non-issue, at least in D1. Maybe I'm
>     missing something...
>
>      
>
>     I've been keeping the D1 champs points for the last three years,
>     and as of 2004 I started tracking all finishing places for all
>     classes for all D1 contests. (great idea, Scott! Thanks)
>
>      
>
>     I also kept my own points count thru Intermediate and Advanced,
>     and moved up only when I pointed out of each class - and yes, that
>     meant flying Advanced in 2004 after winning the 2003 Advanced
>     district championship  (and NOT repeating as champ, thank you very
>     much, Ed! <g>) - because I wasn't ready to move up.
>
>      
>
>     I kind of enjoy keeping the District champs stats, and making them
>     available to the District via our web page, but I DON"T
>     particularly want to be the district watchdog for counting all the
>     AMA points for all our pilots.
>
>      -- Have you seen any evidence of 'points abuse' in D1
>     Intermediate and Advanced (the only places where it really
>     counts)? In the 5 years I've been flying pattern I don't think I
>     have. In fact the results seem to indicate the opposite- Guys that
>     compete a lot and finish in the top of the class a lot move up
>     within a year or two.
>
>     -- I suspect that, as MattK pointed out a couple days ago, the
>     advent of the 4 year life /duration of AMA points effective this
>     year, points will be even less of an issue for the casual
>     Intermediate  / Advanced guy.
>
>     -- I can't believe that a guy can build / assemble / fly /
>     maintain a competitive 2meter pattern plane and be incapable of
>     keeping his own points count.
>
>      
>
>     I'll be happy to discuss AMA points counts with any D1
>     Intermediate or Advanced guy who doesn't understand what the
>     system's about or how to keep points, and will gladly discuss
>     (OFFLINE / OFFLIST) specifics with anyone who wants to me to
>     investigate whether one of our guys is homesteading in a class.
>
>      
>
>     But I really am not in favor of activating a system to scrutinize
>     all 39 (last year's count of total faces that flew in at least 1
>     D1 contest in Intermediate / Advanced) of our Intermediate and
>     Advanced pilots in hopes of catching a sandbagger. Let's focus on
>     having FUN with our toy airplanes -- and deal with suspected
>     exceptions as exceptions. I have no problem at all with talking to
>     individuals about how this part of the system works.
>
>      
>
>     Thanks for listening -
>
>      
>
>     Anyone know a 'no-snow / no-wind' dance we can do to get some
>     PRACTICE weather here in the Northeast???
>
>      
>
>     Rick
>
>      
>
>      
>
>      
>
>     -----Original Message-----
>     From: discussion-request at nsrca.org
>     [mailto:discussion-request at nsrca.org] On Behalf Of George Kennie
>     Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2005 2:29 PM
>     To: discussion at nsrca.org
>     Subject: Re: Rules Changes----Advancement
>
>      
>
>     I think that if the district CD's were required to include the
>     placement of "ALL" competitors(not just the first 3 places, but
>     everyone in the class) in every class when submitting contest
>     reports to the DVP for inclusion in the K-Factor, then it should
>     be a relatively simple task to keep track of accrued totals for
>     the season, at the end of which it could be reported in the
>     K-Factor exactly who had pointed out in each class.The DVP's
>     responsibility could be considered fulfilled at that point and
>     have no further requirement to mandate any advancement demands on
>     the individuals involved as their peer group would, in all
>     probability, implement that role.
>     Watcha think??? No good?????
>     G.
>     P.S. If the CD's will commit to it, I'd be willing to do the math
>     for D1.
>
>     Atwood, Mark wrote:
>
>>        
>>
>>     I guess I'm going to recuse myself from this discussion as a lot
>>     of this has never really made sense to me.  I was never able to
>>     console myself from losing a contest by thinking..."hmmm...that
>>     guy that beat me really should have already moved up."  Nor did I
>>     feel any tremendous since of accomplishment when after finishing
>>     2nd all year to someone...I was suddenly finishing 1st because
>>     that person was flying a higher class. 
>>
>>     I will say this though...regardless of what "rule" WILL be in
>>     place...there are rules in place now.  There should be a
>>     discussion along side this thread about enforcement.  I think I'm
>>     a proponent of NO rule, simply because that's effectively what we
>>     have in practice today. 
>>
>>     We have only a small handful of scoring systems in place, all of
>>     which could produce a simple extract file with participants/AMA
>>     #/Class/placing, etc...that could be submitted to an NSRCA rep
>>     for import into a central database.  I know...I'm not
>>     volunteering either...Lol.
>>
>>     -Mark
>>
>      
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