[SPAM] RE: [SPAM] Rules changes Advancement

Tue Mar 8 13:29:53 AKST 2005

Troy,

	If you get a 14MZ, you can send your e-mail with it!!!  

Keith L. Hoard
Cordova, TN
khoard at midsouth.rr.com

-----Original Message-----
From: discussion-request at nsrca.org [mailto:discussion-request at nsrca.org] On
Behalf Of Troy A. Newman
Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2005 3:34 PM
To: discussion at nsrca.org
Subject: Re: [SPAM] Rules changes Advancement

Yes the date thing...Sorry

My computer date likes to change on a  regular basis. I think the backup
battery is needing a change...but then again the machine needs a change too.
Its a 1999 machine that has served well but tends to have little things that
I have to work around.

Thanks
TN
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bob Kane" <getterflash at yahoo.com>
To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2005 2:58 PM
Subject: Re: [SPAM] Rules changes Advancement

> I agree . . . . .
>
> BTW, Troy, I almost missed your email because the date
> shows March 8,    2004
>
>
> --- "Troy A. Newman" <troy_newman at msn.com> wrote:
>
> > Buddy,
> > I have been really quiet lately. I don't think the
> > changes you are looking at are going to increase
> > pattern participation. The weight and box limits in
> > my opinion are good and don't need jacking
> > with......
> >
> > I know you and Don are working hard at it. We on the
> > sequence committee are as well. I don't think
> > changing the box is going to help us. I really don't
> > think changes to the weights or sizes is going to
> > help us....
> >
> > I want to weigh in here so to speak on something
> > that I feel will help pattern grow in changes to the
> > rule book. I feel most changes to the rule book are
> > going to make us more elite or a more secret way you
> > have to do things. Guys that are even in our ranks
> > don't read the rules so why make them even more
> > specialized..and so on.
> >
> > BUT there is a single set of things in the book that
> > I feel and others feel need to be addressed.
> >
> > Advancement to the next class.
> >
> > I think we should just NIX all advancement rules.
> > Let the pilot fly whatever wants too and when ever
> > he wants too. Let him jump around if needed. The
> > reason its not used. I have been from sea to
> > shinning sea ATL to CA and have never actually heard
> > anybody keeping track of their points. The AMA says
> > its up to the pilot and they provide a little card
> > to fill out. I have been flying pattern since 86 and
> > have never seen one of the cards! Its not
> > enforceable. There is no database to keep the
> > records. It takes too much time and energy. We spend
> > our time and energy in other places more rightfully
> > so....So lets eliminate the advancement system.
> >
> > Reason #2 is we don't have the numbers we once had
> > to push people up to another class when they may not
> > be ready. SO would we rather push a pilot up to the
> > next class and maybe out by peer pressure...... or
> > have him staying in the same class.
> >
> > My opinion is I don't care if Dave Brown himself
> > came back and flew Advanced. I think we could all
> > benefit from him being a the contest and
> > participating in the events.
> >
> > Prime example I witnessed two district Champions
> > last season move up to the next class and neither
> > one was ready to go. But they felt obligated to go
> > since they won the D champs. The reality was that
> > they went to enough contests to get the points. The
> > reality also is they don't have the skills they
> > needed to learn in the previous class.
> >
> > Pattern is about perfection and precision. I see our
> > pattern ranks getting smaller and smaller and the
> > skill sets getting weaker and weaker. The pilot that
> > survives the Intermediate sequence for a couple
> > years maybe even wins some stuff around locally then
> > moves up. But the reality is just because he won
> > everything locally with maybe 2-3-4 pilot doesn't
> > mean he is now ready for the next show. The quality
> > of flying in the lower classes seems to be lower
> > that it has been in the past. Our numbers seem to be
> > much much lower too. Pattern flying is about
> > perfection and flying that perfect sequence. I think
> > if we eliminate the advancement stuff over time we
> > will gain back some of the old dogs for another run.
> > And new pilots that have not learned the required
> > skills can get them before moving on. It has been
> > brought up that back in the old days
> > pre-turnaround...a local guy would dust off his
> > model and support he clubs local event. Maybe if we
> > let him fly whatever he wants then we might get him
> > to come back after 5-10 years off. This could also
> > could encourage new people. No pressure to move up.
> > Enjoy the competition at  a level you are
> > comfortable. Right now we reward any margin of
> > success with more and more challenge. Maybe this
> > pushes people away. Many people in their lives are
> > content to be right where they are. They want to
> > play and have fun with the group...but are not
> > comfortable up with the next group. WE SHOULD NOT
> > TURN THEM AWAY!
> >
> > Some pilots will never be ready for a jump from
> > Intermediate to advanced. regardless of the current
> > large steps between a couple classes. I feel that
> > there are some career Intermediate pilots like my
> > father in-law Jerry. He is one of the best pilots at
> > his local club. He is the man for test flights, and
> > advice among the crowd. But He is happy and
> > challenged with Intermediate. He will continue to be
> > happy and challenged with it for a long time to
> > come.
> >
> > The cheer from the crowd in the awards of the
> > contest is always move up...move up. Especially in
> > Sportsman.Is pushing people away...in my mind. We
> > need to pat them on the back and say good job...not
> > jump IN and get eaten by the sharks.
> >
> > I think this defeats ourselves a little.
> >
> > If we let someone jump around classes and he got in
> > too deep he could always come back without AMA, DVP,
> > and so on approval. Just fly what ever class you
> > want to fly!
> >
> > The question is would we rather have a guy sand bag
> > a little and still have him at an event or call him
> > a trophy hog and push him out. This goes for older
> > more seasoned pilots as well. The guy is getting up
> > there a little in years like my buddy Pastorello
> > <picking on you man I like to pick on Bob because he
> > fights back!>  and  flew at a very high level of
> > competition but now wants to not practice all the
> > time...maybe doesn't have the best model for the
> > job....Let him move back from a masters to an
> > advanced and fly there. He has a bunch of knowledge
> > and can help people at the events. Plus sometimes he
> > is even fun to fly with!
> >
> > Would we rather have him or Not?
> >
> > This does a couple things. Keeps the pilots that
> > can't make it at the higher level what ever the
> > reason...and it also improves the skills of the
> > lower classes.  A newer pilot will have to be more
> > prepared to win an event and he will not readily
> > jump to the next class as there is nobody to fly
> > against in the current class. Competition is a
> > motivation factor. If a guy is out there doing his
> > two loops really well...then it will inspire the
> > another pilot to "work on my two loops because old
> > Bob is going to kick my butt when we get to the
> > contest next week."
> >
> > For most people the biggest factor for them being
> > here in Pattern today is they wanted to learn to fly
> > better. But that success and flying better today
> > pushes them into another class that is more
> > difficult yet. You know Mark Martin is still running
> > the Busch Series and he has been a Cup champion and
> > Busch Champion before too. Even though many look at
> > the Busch and Truck series as a kind of minor
> > leagues to the Cup cars.
> >
> > Just some thoughts
> >
> > TN
>
>
> Bob Kane
> getterflash at yahoo.com
>
>
>
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