[SPAM] RE: Chip

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Did that thing ever fly?

--- Dean Pappas <d.pappas at kodeos.com> wrote:

> Yeah Karl,
> When I saw the funky tail, I went into a state of
> Shark!
> How'd you like to do the dive/flutter testing on
> that one?
> The motorcycle accident might not have hastened
> Leo's departure all that much!
> Regards,
> 
> Dean Pappas
> Sr. Design Engineer
> Kodeos Communications
> 111 Corporate Blvd.
> South Plainfield, N.J. 07080
> (908) 222-7817 phone
> (908) 222-2392 fax
> d.pappas at kodeos.com
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: discussion-request at nsrca.org
> [mailto:discussion-request at nsrca.org]On Behalf Of
> Karl G. Mueller
> Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 10:02 AM
> To: discussion at nsrca.org
> Subject: Re: Chip
> 
> 
> Dean,
> 
> Regarding as much fin below as above the thrust
> line: have a look at "Leo'
> secret plane" at Zivko Aviation's website.
> 
> Karl G. Mueller
> kgamueller at rogers.com
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Dean Pappas" <d.pappas at kodeos.com>
> To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
> Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 9:43 AM
> Subject: RE: Chip
> 
> 
> Hi Jay,
> Funny you should ask. Hey Nat, got any pictures of
> the old UM2?
> The answer, short of showing you a picture of one of
> Nat's old designs is to
> build a plane that is symmeterical around the
> thrustline. It's gonna look
> fuunny but, "chins are bad, Hmmkay".
> You want to center the fin and ruder area heightwise
> on the thrustline, too.
> If you can design a plane with nose area above the
> spinner and almost none
> below, you might get there.
> Some EU1-As trimmed with almost no right thrust,
> mine was one of those.
> Brown had a Phoenix 6 or 7 that had a tiny fraction
> of a degree of left
> thrust, as I recall.
> Even if you don't entirely eliminate the need for
> side thrust, if you get it
> under a degree and a half, the compromise and
> unwanted dog-tracking gets
> much much better.
> 
> Of course, electrics don't need chins! That's
> probably where the funky
> anti-Kirk Douglas chin on the Onyx comes from.
> 
> Dean Pappas
> Sr. Design Engineer
> Kodeos Communications
> 111 Corporate Blvd.
> South Plainfield, N.J. 07080
> (908) 222-7817 phone
> (908) 222-2392 fax
> d.pappas at kodeos.com
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: discussion-request at nsrca.org
> [mailto:discussion-request at nsrca.org]On Behalf Of
> Jason
> Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 9:52 PM
> To: discussion at nsrca.org
> Subject: RE: Chip
> 
> 
> Dean,
> 
> What's this cure look like?
> 
> Jason
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dean Pappas
> [mailto:discussion-request at nsrca.org]On Behalf Of
> Dean
> Pappas
> Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 7:40 PM
> To: discussion at nsrca.org
> Subject: RE: Chip
> 
> 
> Hi Nat,
> It's the push to level inverted from a down line:
> left rudder is required to
> go straight.
> It's worse there than anywhere else, but the same
> effect can  be felt in
> many places.
> 
> The cure is to design planes that don't need right
> thrust.
> Dean
> 
> 
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: discussion-request at nsrca.org on behalf of Nat
> Penton
> Sent: Thu 3/3/2005 6:25 PM
> To: discussion at nsrca.org
> Cc:
> Subject: Chip
> 
> 
> When Chip was talking about throt/rudder mix he was
> also talking about a
> problem with inverted exit from a vertical downline.
> Could somebody please
> explain the problem ?
>                                        Nat
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