Pattern Box Rules (discussion)

[Ed Hartley]

I might even be able to see the plane if it were a bit closer.

BTW Archie, some of us don't have as much time to practice as you do!

It doesn't matter how simple you make the patterns other than simple ones 
would be easier to judge! And I'll bet the same guys would win! I.E. the 
snaps, after the last thread no one really has a definitive answer on 
judging criteria!

Later,
Ed

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Lockhart" <DaveL322 at comcast.net>
To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2005 10:17 PM
Subject: Re: Pattern Box Rules (discussion)


> Agree, leave the box alone.
>
> Flying closer to the flightline increases parallax and makes the vertical
> maneuver much uglier to judge.
>
> If the Sportsman schedule is too hard to fly in the box, then I would
> suggest the Sportsman schedule is too difficult - I think the emphasis in
> Sportsman should be on learning to fly wings level, straight lines,
> positioning in the box, and using the box.
>
> Dave
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ed Alt" <ed_alt at hotmail.com>
> To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2005 9:41 PM
> Subject: Re: Pattern Box Rules (discussion)
>
>
>> Absolutely with you on this Joe!
>>
>> Ed
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Joe Lachowski" <jlachow at hotmail.com>
>> To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2005 5:28 PM
>> Subject: Re: Pattern Box Rules (discussion)
>>
>>
>> > The 75 degree box is just as bad as no box at all. I flew the 75 degree
>> > box in a couple of IMAC contests when they used it and thought that 
>> > that
>> > big of a box was a joke and presented less of a challenge. Leave the 
>> > box
>> > alone. Let's bury this obsurd idea right now!!
>> >
>> >>From: vicenterc at comcast.net
>> >>Reply-To: discussion at nsrca.org
>> >>To: discussion at nsrca.org, discussion at nsrca.org
>> >>CC: BUDDYonRC at aol.com
>> >>Subject: Re: Pattern Box Rules (discussion)
>> >>Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2005 22:10:27 +0000
>> >>
>> >>IMAC changed to 90 degree box this year.
>> >>
>> >>Vince
>> >>
>> >>-------------- Original message --------------
>> >>
>> >>As a member of the rules change committee I am trying to determine if
>> >>there is interest in pursuing this matter and welcome a discussion and
>> >>suggestions regarding this issue
>> >>I have outlined some of the issues and suggestions pertaining to this
>> >>below and welcome your opinions.
>> >>
>> >>The pattern box was added to the AMA rules when the turnaround method 
>> >>of
>> >>Presentation and scoring was initiated. It defines the limited scoring
>> >>area where all maneuvers must be performed.
>> >>The purpose of the box is to provide a uniform but somewhat flexible
> area
>> >>of presentation that allows the pilot the opportunity to tailor his
>> >>presentation to the requirements of the pattern being flown, and allow
>> >>judges to score his presentation on an equitable basis when compared to
>> >>the presentations of other pilots flying the sequence.
>> >>The rules provide for specific score penalties for performing any
> maneuver
>> >>either out of the box or partially out of the box, making it all
> important
>> >>that all box violations are downgraded the same by all judges to 
>> >>provide
>> >>the correct score earned.
>> >>Over the years the failure of judges to provide a uniform application 
>> >>of
>> >>box violations has resulted in an unfair advantage to some pilots and a
>> >>disadvantage to others.
>> >>In many cases box line poles are not or cannot be provided to give the
>> >>pilot or judge the visual reference necessary which becomes the primary
>> >>reason among others that this condition continues to exist.
>> >>In addition to the above the present box configuration increases the
>> >>possibility of a midair collision when two flight lines are used 
>> >>because
>> >>many pilots strive to utilize the same optimum distance out in their
>> >>presentation.
>> >>By reconfiguring the box more area will be available for those who wish
> to
>> >>fly in closer with out fear of box violation downgrades, this will also
>> >>allow those who experience vision difficulties at greater distances the
>> >>possibly to be more competitive
>> >>  In order to provide a method that will more nearly insure equity to
> all
>> >> participants and simplify the task of judges, while possibly reducing
> the
>> >> occurrences of midair collision, and also encourage those with limited
>> >> eyesight at the greater distances to participate, It has been 
>> >> suggested
>> >> that a rules change be requested to modify the pattern box layout and
>> >> redefine the box boundary infringement penalty.
>> >>
>> >>One suggestion was to revise the box size by changing the box line from
>> >>Sixty (60) degrees to Seventy-five (75) degrees. And adopt a uniform
>> >>system of accessing penalties similar to the FAI rule or to the method
>> >>used in IMAC
>> >>
>> >>Another suggestion which may offer solutions to more of the inherent
>> >>problems experienced with the present box layout and scoring methods
> would
>> >>be to adopt
>> >>A box layout and penalty system as described in the AMA Scale 
>> >>Aerobatics
>> >>Rules Item 4.1 with modifications to suit pattern.
>> >>
>> >>Buddy Brammer
>> >>
>> >
>> >
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