Landing Direction; Spins, and Snaps. . .

[Terry Terrenoire]

As far as the timing goes. I don't think you can look at seperate
individual flights. Look at the overall results.

I have been running, or assisting some of the biggest competitions for
nearly 20 years now, including site 2 at the NATS for the past 7 years.

It takes 10 minutes per flight!!!!!!!!!!! I don't care what class, other
than Sportsman if you run thru it just once.

When I see numbers that show more that 6 flights per hour per line, then
I'll be impressed.

That is not to say that the numbers can't be increased for some short
time for special reasons. The CD, site director, line chief, CAN herd the
cattle to get the average down a little if a storm is approaching, or the
day is getting short. But this is like the 2 minute drill at the end of
the half in a footbal game. They don't play that way for the whole game
because they just cann ot maintain that degree of concentration for the
whole 30 minutes, and we can't maintain that degree of control and
urgency for an entire contest..............so, we are back to 10 min per
flight!!!!

I agree with you on a lot of things Jerry, but not this. The time savings
is a straw dog!

Terry T.

On Mon, 13 Jun 2005 20:55:08 -0700 Jerry Budd <jerry at buddengineering.com>
writes:
> Uhmm, Jerry -
> 
> What are using for your reference point in saying that you "never 
> saw 
> a 15 sec. difference that could have been saved"?  Stated another 
> way, a difference of 15 sec. from what?  If at least one of the 
> contest(s) you've observed didn't score TO&L's (meaning other than 0 
> 
> or 10) then what are you comparing the measured times too?  Did you 
> 
> have timed data from before when TO&L's were scored from 0 to 10 to 
> 
> difference your measurements from?  Without that data to establish a 
> 
> baseline you can't make a quantitative comparison, only a 
> qualitative 
> assessment (which is a fancy way of saying "a person's opinion").
> 
> Please don't take my questions as an attack, they're NOT meant that 
> 
> way.  But collecting invalid data can be as bad, if not worse, than 
> 
> having no data at all.  And I'm not saying that the data you've 
> collected is invalid, just that one can't tell from what you wrote 
> below.  Since your stated objective is to use the data to show the 
> "rationale used to support the current proposal was false and it 
> never was backed up by real data", then the legitimacy of your data 
> 
> becomes relevant.
> 
> Maybe I'm missing something here, can you help me understand how you 
> 
> were collecting your data?
> 
> Jerry (the other one, out on the left coast)
> 
> 
> >Terry, you are being generous. I actually timed and recorded a 
> bunch 
> >of them at the last contest and never saw a 15 sec. difference that 
> 
> >could have been saved. I intend to do this at every contest this 
> >year, and send a data file to all the Contest Board members during 
> 
> >the next rules cycle. I think the rationale used to support the 
> >current proposal was false and it never was backed up by real data. 
> 
> > Actually when you factored in the currently required maneuvers at 
> 
> >TO, and at Landing, the overall total has to be longer. I guess 
> >they were allocating a large amount of time saved by the Gun and Go 
> 
> >approach now being advocated/accepted.
> >Jerry
> 
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