Landing Direction; Spins, and Snaps. . .

[AtwoodDon at aol.com]

Well, if we are going to this type scoring, I vote for a couple of throw  out 
or King's X maneuvers per flight, pilot's choice of course.  Best 20 or  so 
maneuvers counts?
 
Seriously, I have been trying to catch up on the long list of emails  
pertaining to judging or not judging TO and Landings with a lot of good points  made 
on both sidespertaining to faster contests and safer environments.   Maybe my 
grey hair is showing, but I guess I disagree with the comments about  
TO/landing not being aerobatic maneuvers, not important, etc.  My opinion  is they are 
the most critical 2 maneuvers per flight and barring radio problems,  
probably are most responsible for aircraft damage at any contest.   Therefore, I 
think they should be judged (forcing the pilot to actually practice  them) and 
quite frankly I believe they should have something greater than 1 as a  
multiplier.
 
These two maneuvers require the pilot to control the aircraft in a rapidly  
changing airspeed situation and demonstrate control during those changes.   
Takes all 4 control axis, etc.  Kind of a back to the basics opinion, but  we 
have all seen the onset of the blast it into the air and hope it hits the  runway 
when it comes down approach.  I for one do not believe this approach  
improves anything, may even cause more deterioration in actual 'flying' skills  in 
our entry and mid-level classes.
 
OK, let me get my fire suit button up here......  OK, I'm  ready.....  ;-)
 
Don Atwood
 
In a message dated 6/13/2005 1:09:59 PM Pacific Daylight Time,  
vanputte at cox.net writes:

On Jun  13, 2005, at 2:26 PM, Cameron Smith wrote:

> Top-Hats & Humpty  Bumps also!!!  If you aint Hovering you aint flying! 
> (Oops wrong  discussion group;-)

Well, as long as we're voting here, I vote for  non-scored Diamond 8s in 
the Master class.  Everyone should just  admire the beauty of the 
maneuver and not be critical and  judgmental.

Ron Van Putte

>  
> -----Original  Message-----
> From: discussion-request at nsrca.org 
>  [mailto:discussion-request at nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Keith Hoard
> Sent:  Monday, June 13, 2005 11:39 AM
> To: discussion at nsrca.org
>  Subject: RE: Landing Direction; Spins, and Snaps. . .
>  
> I  think we should stop scoring spins and snaps, also.  What do you 
>  guys think?? 
>  
>  
>  
> Keith  L. Hoard
> Cordova, TN
> khoard at midsouth.rr.com
>  
>  
>  
>
> From:  discussion-request at nsrca.org 
> [mailto:discussion-request at nsrca.org] On  Behalf Of Keith Black
> Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 10:19 AM
> To:  discussion at nsrca.org
> Subject: Re: Landing Direction
>  
> Marguerite,
>  
> Actually, I don't think  you're alone on this issue. The NSRCA poll 
> showed overwhelmingly that  the membership wanted scored t/o and 
> landings as did the public  outcry after the majority's desires were 
> disregarded. Apparently even  the contest board would have voted to 
> keep the old rule but the  question was worded in such a way to confuse 
> two of the contest board  members.
>  
> Now that the new messed up rule has caused so  much confusion I think 
> everyone is getting so fed-up with it that  many would rather have 
> nothing at all than what we have now. To me  this has more to do with 
> being sick of all the ridiculous discussions  than a real desire of 
> pattern pilots to not score t/o and  landings.
>  
> I for one have been paying attention to  take-offs and landings this 
> year and find it a real shame that we  don't have those beautiful 
> centered liftoffs and gentle climb outs.  The new guys coming into 
> sportsman will miss out on this  discipline.
>  
> Keith
>  
>  
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From:  MargueriteVG at aol.com
>> To: patternrules at earthlink.net ;  discussion at nsrca.org
>> Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 8:58  AM
>> Subject: Re: Landing Direction
>>  
>>  
>> Good Morning...... oh oh  here goes...
>>  I agree it is important to encourage good landings and take  and I  
>> will add to your  statement... why not all classes with take off and  
>> landing.  Yes, for the most part the pilots in the higher  classes 
>> will ace the landing.   I have seen the higher  classes mess up on the 
>> landings (yes and almost hit me while I  was in a contest flying)
>>   Take off and landing perfectly all  the time is the goal for any 
>> pilot.  This seems to be  getting so involved. I know I am out for the 
>> most part alone on  this issue and that is  fine with me.  ITs just 
>>  that I would like to see the pattern community respect this issue and  
>> set a good example for all pilots joining on to Precision  Aerobatics.
>>   A well done take off and a well done landing is  certainly part of 
>> flying aerobatic competition in all  classes. Its the start ... and it 
>> should be.  I was  glad to see someone out there was thinking along 
>> the same lines  here.
>> Marguerite
>>  
>> In a message dated  6/13/2005 8:23:28 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
>>  patternrules at earthlink.net writes:
>>>
>>>  >  Personally Jerry,  I'd like to see us score landings and take  
>>> offs for
>>>  Sportsman and  Intermediate.  Given the k-factor of their total 
>>>  schedule
>>>  it's a meaningful part, and the ability to land  well in a high 
>>> crosswind is
>>>  something  they'll need to be comfortable with, so it's worth 
>>> rewarding  ann
>>>  motivating the practice required to do it  well.






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