Landing Direction

[Atwood, Mark]

My question is if no one considers Landing a "aerobatic maneuver"...An
argument I'll save for another day...  Then why do we even score it at
all??  Let's face it...the Zero or 10 rule basically takes it out of the
contest.  

 

Buddy makes a good point here.  IF we're not going to make a change back
to truly scoring the T/O and landing, then just simply get rid of ALL
the crap, no scores except for maneuvers in the air, and T/O's and
Landings are completely pilot's option.  Get the thing up and down
safely...we'll score what's in the air.

 

-Mark

 

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From: discussion-request at nsrca.org [mailto:discussion-request at nsrca.org]
On Behalf Of BUDDYonRC at aol.com
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 9:07 PM
To: discussion at nsrca.org
Subject: Re: Landing Direction

 

In a message dated 6/10/2005 7:03:40 PM Central Daylight Time,
tkeithb at comcast.net writes:

	OK, so you're saying if the wind doesn't shift then the pilot
can't land in the opposite direction. What if there is just a breath of
wind at take-off and the pilot flies with the wind, but at landing the
wind has picked up significantly? Do you stand by the rule and insist
that the wind direction didn't change and now the pilot must land with
the wind or get a zero?

	 

	BTW, I'm not trying to be difficult, just trying to anticipate
the arguments and problems that may raise their heads once this rule is
passed. Let's cover all the bases before putting any language in place.
And let's also be sure we are comfortable with all possible
consequences.

	 

	Keith

		----- Original Message ----- 

		From: Ron Van Putte <mailto:vanputte at cox.net>  

		To: discussion at nsrca.org 

		Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 2:46 PM

		Subject: Re: Landing Direction

		 

		
		On Jun 10, 2005, at 1:35 PM, Keith Black wrote:

		I'm in favor of the proposal for safety in the case the
wind direction changes, but I'd like to bring something up that I've
seen occur. Some pilots are much more comfortable flying one direction
than the other and therefore will sometimes choose to take-off in the
same direction as the wind, especially in a light wind.
		 
		Is the spirit of this rule change to allow someone who
took off with the wind to reverse landing direction? If not I think we
could get into a lot of "hair splitting" when the pilot asks the judges
if he can land in the reverse direction. Will the judges remember what
way the wind was blowing (especially if the winds were light when the
pilot took off)? Will other competitors observer the situation and be
upset? If the judges refuse for any reason how upset will the pilot be
if he dorks his $2500 plane? Will this rule lead to pilots not
practicing the pattern both directions as much, especially in the lower
classes where wind direction doesn't matter as much?
		 
		Currently if a pilot has a weak flight direction and
chooses to fly with the wind their "penalty" and incentive for not doing
so is having to make a hot down wind landing (which I've seen plenty).
		 
		Over all I like the idea but want to avoid any
unexpected side-effects of the rules change.

		
		If the wind doesn't shift, the rule wouldn't apply. I
think having the judges give permission is important; it precludes
someone trying to finesse the situation. We trust judges to score
flights, so I think it's reasonable to expect they will know which way a
pilot took off and which way the wind was blowing when he did.
		
		
		Ron Van Putte
		
		

			----- Original Message -----
			From: Ron Van Putte 
			To: discussion at nsrca.org 
			Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 10:08 AM
			Subject: Landing Direction
			
			Based on the positive response on the proposed
change to landing direction, I sent my draft landing direction rule
change proposal to John Fuqua, the Contest Board chairman, and he
replied:
			
			"How about this.  Suggest you put this as para
6.7 which is the 'Safety Requirements" section. 
			
			"Normally landing would be as per paragraph 14.1
regarding Direction of Flight.  However, when a wind shift results in a
downwind landing that creates a hazard to people or the aircraft,
subject to the approval of the judges, the landing direction may be
reversed.
			
			(or maybe)
			
			"Normally landing would be as per paragraph 14.1
regarding Direction of Flight.  However, subject to the approval of the
judges, the landing direction may be reversed when a wind shift results
in a downwind landing that creates a hazard to people or the aircraft."
			
			I prefer the second one and will make an
Emergency Proposal as soon as I can put it together.
			
			Ron Van Putte

How about Take off and landing pilots choice.Pure and simple.

Buddy

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