Landing Direction

[Jim Ivey]

Keith
 I believe you have valid comments everytime you have made one.I think this rule will further complicate a landing scenario that is already unclear when to call your landing. If you add a extra pass to accomplish this rule change,exactly when do you call landing,if you are even supposed to call it. I am still unclear about the landing announcement. This takeoff and landing business is out of control and started when the proposal was  made and passed to stop judging takeoffs and landings.This whirlwind needs to stop and we need to get down to the business of more important aspects of pattern flying.Enough is enough.

Jim Ivey
> 
> From: "Keith Black" <tkeithb at comcast.net>
> Date: 2005/06/10 Fri PM 08:03:15 EDT
> To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
> Subject: Re: Landing Direction
> 
> OK, so you're saying if the wind doesn't shift then the pilot can't land in the opposite direction. What if there is  just a breath of wind at take-off and the pilot flies with the wind, but at landing the wind has picked up significantly? Do you stand by the rule and insist that the wind direction didn't change and now the pilot must land with the wind or get a zero?
> 
> BTW, I'm not trying to be difficult, just trying to anticipate the arguments and problems that may raise their heads once this rule is passed. Let's cover all the bases before putting any language in place. And let's also be sure we are comfortable with all possible consequences.
> 
> Keith
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: Ron Van Putte 
>   To: discussion at nsrca.org 
>   Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 2:46 PM
>   Subject: Re: Landing Direction
> 
> 
> 
>   On Jun 10, 2005, at 1:35 PM, Keith Black wrote:
> 
> 
>     I'm in favor of the proposal for safety in the case the wind direction changes, but I'd like to bring something up that I've seen occur. Some pilots are much more comfortable flying one direction than the other and therefore will sometimes choose to take-off in the same direction as the wind, especially in a light wind.
>      
>     Is the spirit of this rule change to allow someone who took off with the wind to reverse landing direction? If not I think we could get into a lot of "hair splitting" when the pilot asks the judges if he can land in the reverse direction. Will the judges remember what way the wind was blowing (especially if the winds were light when the pilot took off)? Will other competitors observer the situation and be upset? If the judges refuse for any reason how upset will the pilot be if he dorks his $2500 plane? Will this rule lead to pilots not practicing the pattern both directions as much, especially in the lower classes where wind direction doesn't matter as much?
>      
>     Currently if a pilot has a weak flight direction and chooses to fly with the wind their "penalty" and incentive for not doing so is having to make a hot down wind landing (which I've seen plenty).
>      
>     Over all I like the idea but want to avoid any unexpected side-effects of the rules change.
> 
> 
>   If the wind doesn't shift, the rule wouldn't apply. I think having the judges give permission is important; it precludes someone trying to finesse the situation. We trust judges to score flights, so I think it's reasonable to expect they will know which way a pilot took off and which way the wind was blowing when he did.
> 
> 
>   Ron Van Putte
> 
> 
> 
>       ----- Original Message -----
>       From: Ron Van Putte 
>       To: discussion at nsrca.org 
>       Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 10:08 AM
>       Subject: Landing Direction
> 
>       Based on the positive response on the proposed change to landing direction, I sent my draft landing direction rule change proposal to John Fuqua, the Contest Board chairman, and he replied:
> 
>       "How about this.  Suggest you put this as para 6.7 which is the 'Safety Requirements" section. 
> 
>       "Normally landing would be as per paragraph 14.1 regarding Direction of Flight.  However, when a wind shift results in a downwind landing that creates a hazard to people or the aircraft, subject to the approval of the judges, the landing direction may be reversed.
> 
>       (or maybe)
> 
>       "Normally landing would be as per paragraph 14.1 regarding Direction of Flight.  However, subject to the approval of the judges, the landing direction may be reversed when a wind shift results in a downwind landing that creates a hazard to people or the aircraft."
> 
>       I prefer the second one and will make an Emergency Proposal as soon as I can put it together.
> 
>       Ron Van Putte
> 

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