Scoring formula

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I agree 100%. I have no interest in sitting out there if my work won't count. Throwing out the high and low's means a judge who doesn't have a clue and gives all 7's has his scores count,
Dave

> 
> From: "Bob Pastorello" <rcaerobob at cox.net>
> Date: 2005/07/30 Sat AM 06:10:18 EDT
> To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
> Subject: Re: Scoring formula
> 
> I remember a Nats (a few years' back) when I *was* the toughest judge on the 
> FAI line, both Prelims and Finals.  I know because the CD came up and told 
> me "you're being too hard".  Okay.  After it was all done, my higher scores 
> tracked the overall placements of the standings pretty darn well.  I felt 
> pretty good about that, because there were some pretty high-falutin judges 
> on my panel with me!!
> 
> Then I learned - quite by accident - that my scores HAD been tossed.  EVERY 
> round that I sat there, doing my damndest to be consistent, fair, and 
> downgrade by the rulebook....in the heat and wind, only to learn that I DID 
> NOT NEED TO BE THERE !!!!!
> 
> Some stupid jerk actually had the gall to justify that by telling me "since 
> your scores got tossed, that makes the other judges' scores more accurate". 
> I didn't wring that guys' neck....but he also made it to my list of "persons 
> likely to be left out of my will".... :-)
> 
> Actually had someone ask me a couple years later, "Why don't you get 
> certified, Bob?"
> 
> I'll put my judging consistency and skill up against anyone's..... but not 
> if it's gonna be thrown out later.  As difficult as it is to train, and then 
> *recruit* judges at big events, WHY would anyone want to toss their efforts 
> in the trash????   Why bother to play at all, if there is no more value 
> placed on someone's best effort than that?
> 
> Bob Pastorello
> www.rcaerobats.net
> rcaerobob at cox.net
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Atwood, Mark" <atwoodm at paragon-inc.com>
> To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
> Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 10:16 PM
> Subject: RE: Scoring formula
> 
> 
> I have to agree with Derek on this one, 100%.
> 
> The conventional thought on "throwing out Highs and lows" is that you'll
> get rid of the spurious ZERO from some Snap-roll nazi  along with the
> gift "10" that the pilot's buddy awarded him.   That could be true.
> 
> But what really happens...the down side... Is that the toughest judge on
> the panel...get's EVERY SCORE THROWN OUT...   He might as well pack up
> and go home.   Same is true for the "easy" judge.  Forget about the fact
> that they're consistent...  Tossing Highs and Low's doesn't really care.
> In fact...the more consistently "tough" they are...the more likely that
> they wasted their time.
> 
> TBL on the other hand looks at judges across the entire pool of flyers..
> If a judge is consistently tough...fine.  But if he's tough on 8
> pilots...and easy on 2...it's going to catch it.  Same goes for the easy
> judge that's suddenly tough.
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: discussion-request at nsrca.org [mailto:discussion-request at nsrca.org]
> On Behalf Of Derek Koopowitz
> Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 10:30 PM
> To: discussion at nsrca.org
> Subject: RE: Scoring formula
> 
> There is a big difference between TBLP and TBL.  TBL does not change
> individual maneuver scores at all - it may change the overall round
> score
> for a judge based on how that judge has scored other pilots and relative
> to
> that judges' scores compared to the other judges.
> 
> I have given explanations of what TBL is several times - certain people
> are
> set in their ways and will not open up their minds to understanding
> statistical methods.  I can equate TBL vs high-low throw out to people's
> understanding of the impact on turnaround in pattern.
> 
> The problem with high-low discard is that you are eliminating the work
> of
> 40% of your judges scores if 5 judges are used.  Is that fair to the
> judges
> and pilots?  TBL changes that by keeping about 90% of all judges scores.
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: discussion-request at nsrca.org [mailto:discussion-request at nsrca.org]
> On
> Behalf Of Grow Pattern
> Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 6:13 PM
> To: discussion at nsrca.org
> Subject: Re: Scoring formula
> 
> Check this out I was researching TBL formulae and I ran across this. The
> parallelisms of the full-size aerobatic world to our world are pretty
> scary.
> 
> _ Eric
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