[SPAM] Re: ADV Proposal Questions Part #2

[George Kennie]

Hey,
I filled out the Survey yesterday and it's currently sitting in the
mailbox awaiting the mailman.
I studied the sequences pretty carefully and thought that they were
well thought out and seemed to me that they would be quite
stimulating to perform.
I specifically thought that the Advanced sequence was an improvement
over the round and round of Immelmans, Double Immelmans, Bunts of
the current schedule which is the reason I skipped it. The new
schedule is very interesting and has a great mix of precision
elements.
If you think it's too easy, that should be a blessing as you can
probably expect to complete several contests in first
place............what a nice problem.
G.

Troy A. Newman wrote:

>   Part #2 Please send your comments after completely looking over
> the following below. OK Now how did the sequences come out: Option
> A: KF of 49 contains 1 K5 figure. Its at the open so the pilot is
> truly setup for it. 1. Slow roll has it2. 4pt roll has it3.
> Negative G elements or inverted exits...No inverted exits...but
> the Figure M has a huge inverted pushing element that requires the
> model to negative loop at center and is a very complex figure for
> any sequence even FAI level., Bunt 1/2 roll out again negative
> push is the major element and the roll from inverted is a skill
> building element also. Humpty pull-push 1/2 roll down similar
> negative G element in it at the top. 1/2 square 2/4pt up is a push
> to level at the top again a negative push to exit a figure. Along
> with the 1/2 square 1/2 roll up. 2 outside loops from the top, and
> the square loop with 1/2's legs 1 and 3 give equal exposure to
> positive and negative G elements. So even though there is not an
> inverted exit there are many pushes in common figures that build
> the skills of pushing out of or within a figure that just don't
> require a level inverted flight between figures. In fact this
> sequence is a little heavier than we planned on negative G
> elements but it is short on negative exits...Its always a trade
> off and we tried to give the best figures to teach the skills and
> present a common element to the judges for what they have seen
> before and reduce the introduction of gotcha figures where the
> pilot made a bad choice and is screwed or the judge is trying to
> figure out is he suppose to be inverted or upright.4. Min of 1
> snap max of 2 This has 2 just like the current Advanced5. Figure 8
> in this one its missing instead a complex figure M is taking its
> place6. 2 cross box elements 2 top hat with 1/4 and humpty with
> options7. One figure that requires reverse rolling or thinking
> about roll directions  Figure M has this also...the middle of all
> M's must be inverted thru center.8. 2 stall turns  We have 3 two
> of them are in the figure M and 1 is a stall turn with 1/2's  So
> you see this sequence does a pretty good job of filling the
> criteria we setup. There are some things that it may be missing
> but we feel it made up for many of them in other ways. Also note
> that a figure M does a bunch of teach of the skills...stall turns,
> inverted push thru the middle, centering of the figure, centering
> of 4 different roll elements, radii concerns on positive and
> negative corners, and roll direction thinking and looks. I have
> never felt the Figure M is a laughing and weak figure to perform
> there are just too many elements including matching positive and
> negative corners as well as all the other stuff above. This is a
> make or break figure in any sequence. Now Option B:  KF of 48
> missing the K5 in this one though and also missing in the current
> ADV. 1. Slow roll got it2. 4pt roll got it3. Inverted elements
> outside 6 sided from the top. That is 6 outside corners to a
> defined 60 degree angle from the last line. This is a good workout
> on pushing to a line. Triangle loop full roll on top gives an
> inverted to inverted roll element, similar to an inverted exit and
> similar to the double I in the current sequence with a full roll
> on the bottom...this one is just up and the top of the box. Bunt
> 1/2 roll out again rolling from inverted this time at the bottom
> of the box. Then the 1/2 squares with 1/2 roll up and 2/4pt up
> give push tops for negative G corners to the exit...This sequence
> is a little lighter on the negative G elements but they  are not
> missing.4. Min of 1 and max of 2 Snaps again two same as the
> current sequence5. At Least 1 Figure 8 vertical-horizontal or
> Cuban Yes has a Reverse Cuban 8 with 1/2 rolls6. At Least 2 cross
> box elements Yes humpty with options and a top hat with 1/4's7. 1
> figure that require reverse rolling or thinking about roll
> directions The opening Stall turn has 3/4 rolls up and down, so
> the rolls would be reversed and requires thinking about roll
> direction.8. At Least 2 stall turns Yes 2 stall turns One Higher
> KF in the center and one turnaround.  Results the Option B is a
> little lighter in terms of inverted pushes but its still got 3-4
> of them that are placed in a skill building sequence.  The comment
> was brought about the Diamond 8 in the Masters sequence of today
> that the new advanced doesn't address this skill and we feel it
> does. The figure M, the six sided outside loop the Pull-push
> humpty the bunts and the inverted rolling elements like the
> triangle with full roll and the bunts address the skills needed
> for this figure. Also the Diamond or square on corner  and
> triangle address the 45 degree lines does this well too. And then
> the square with 1/2 rolls on legs 1 and 3 also addresses this
> skill group of mixed corners positive and negative with the same
> figure.  I know that some of you may not disagree with this logic
> above and that's OK...we can't please everyone. If you are not
> happy with the options Vote NO change.  I'm not here to argue the
> points. Many will disagree with the results. These results are in
> a  survey and for that reason you have the right to vote either
> way. You also have the right to submit something you feel is
> better. The grouped worked hard on the results and to try and fill
> all of the elements in the design criteria some may argue on how
> we did that. I commend each member of the group on the effort and
> the result they gave. Obviously some give more than others but we
> are standing behind the work as a group. I would be happy to
> address any other sequence questions. Thanks for the your timeTroy
> Newman


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