Nats Judging Rebate-keep their best SCORE!
Terry Terrenoire
amad2terry at juno.com
Thu Jul 28 02:29:19 AKDT 2005
I have taken the time to fly both proposed new sequences, as well as
study them at some length.
They are significantly easier than the current schedule, and do not
present the stepping stones needed to move up comfortably to Masters.
Terry T.
On Wed, 27 Jul 2005 21:37:26 -0400 "Arch Stafford"
<rcpattern at comcast.net> writes:
> I think a lot of time people jump before they even fly the sequence.
> I
> remember in November people going nuts about the Reverse Avalanche
> in the
> new masters sequence. Yet, I don't remember seeing any wing
> failures last
> week at the NATS. All of it is new at some point, just a matter of
> taking
> the time to learn the new maneuvers. Practice them high at first,
> or on a
> simulator.
>
> Arch
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: discussion-request at nsrca.org
> [mailto:discussion-request at nsrca.org] On
> Behalf Of Joe Lachowski
> Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 9:30 PM
> To: discussion at nsrca.org
> Subject: Re: Nats Judging Rebate-keep their best SCORE!
>
> First, there is no 1/4,1/2,1/4 roll from inverted in the proposed
> Masters
> sequences. There is a 2/4 pt reversed from inverted and a slow roll
> from
> inverted to inverted, however.
>
> Don't forget there is a triangle loop in one proposed Advanced that
> has a
> full roll in it that is basically flying a full roll from inverted
> to
> inverted. Just practice it as a slow roll up at a higher up safe
> position.
> There may not be clear cut inverted exits and entries but there are
> some
> segments that involve working from the inverted position(ie - Bunt
> w/1/2
> roll, 2 outside loops, 6-sided outside loop, and Figure M w/1/4
> rolls come
> to mind in the proposed Adv. sequences)
>
> I wouldn't worry about it. I think people are having a knee jerk
> reaction to
>
> things without thoroughly analyzing what is there. Besides, I
> thought
> everyone new how to fly inverted<g>.
>
> >From: "Wayne Galligan" <wgalligan at goodsonacura.com>
> >Reply-To: discussion at nsrca.org
> >To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
> >Subject: Re: Nats Judging Rebate-keep their best SCORE!
> >Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 18:55:44 -0500
> >
> >Terry,
> >
> >I have to completely agree with you an this one. I was just having
> a
> >conversation with another adv. flyer and he voiced concern of the
> diamond 8
>
> >that he would have to do a complete roll on the down line and push
> to the
> >back side of the figure 8. As it is in adv. the 45 down neg snap
> prepares
>
> >you for that very scenario. Same being inverted going into the
> top hat.
>
> >It gives you the feel of the push into the next maneuver.
> >What is going to happen when the adv. flyers have to go to an
> inverted
> >1/4,/1/2,1/4 point roll? Some of them have a hard enough time
> doing the
>
> >inverted roll properly (yours truly included)at the bottom of the
> double
> >immelman.
> >
> >I say add more inverted exits or maneuvers.
> >
> >Wayne Galligan
> >ADV D6
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Terry Terrenoire
> > To: discussion at nsrca.org
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 6:27 PM
> > Subject: Re: Nats Judging Rebate-keep their best SCORE!
> >
> >
> > This IS published in advance, and all pilots know it, so there
> is no
> >problem, at least there was not in the 7 years I was involved. We
> certainly
>
> >do not need more rules!!!! Especially a national rule that pertains
> to just
>
> >one, 4 day event a year!
> >
> > While on the subject of rules changes. A while ago I commented
> on the
> >"dumbing down" of the Advance pattern, and had just one or two
> comments.
> >How many of you Advance fliers think that it is prudent to go from
> 4
> >inverted maneuvers to NONE. How is that possibly going to prepare
> you for
> >the difficulty of Masters??? Have any of you even looked at the
> proposal?
> >How many of you have flown the 2 proposed schedules?
> >
> > Sure would like to hear some comments from other Advance and
> Masters
> >pilots, pro or con!!
> >
> > Terry T.
> >
> > On Wed, 27 Jul 2005 18:05:57 -0500 "Bob Pastorello"
> <rcaerobob at cox.net>
> >writes:
> > As a "non Nats" guy at the present - a thought - since a Rules
> cycle
> >submittal is pending, I think that ANY considerations about
> "penalties" for
>
> >not judging had BETTER BE BUILT INTO AMA rules.
> > The AMA Sanctions a national event, and I would bet dollars to
> donuts
> >that a subsequent protest for zeroed rounds would WIN - due to the
> fact
> >that there is NO AMA provision in the rules to cover the situations
> you all
>
> >are describing.
> >
> > I'm not taking sides, nor pointing fingers/blame.
> >
> > Simply suggesting that NOW is the time to try and get a rule
> change to
>
> >support the propositions of "enforcement". Could be important.
> >
> > Bob Pastorello
> > www.rcaerobats.net
> > rcaerobob at cox.net
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Ron Van Putte
> > To: discussion at nsrca.org
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 10:14 AM
> > Subject: Re: Nats Judging Rebate-keep their best SCORE!
> >
> >
> >
> > On Jul 27, 2005, at 9:48 AM, Gray E Fowler wrote:
> >
> >
> > Money does not matter, scores do. In the past, was it not
> work or
> >lose your best round? THAT keeps people on their toes.
> >
> >
> > That's done now.
> >
> >
> > I also heard that some people coming to FAI and Masters
> did not
> >submit TWO frequencies, creating matrix hassles. Same here- assign
> the
> >matrix to make sense and if the person does not have his alternate
>
> >frequency as was requested on the NATS entry form then he simply
> does not
> >fly that round. The CD needs relief, and the contestants need the
> MOST fair
>
> >matrix that can be had.
> >
> >
> > No argument here.
> >
> > Ron Van Putte
> >
> >
> >
> > Ron Van Putte <vanputte at cox.net>
> >
> > Sent by: discussion-request at nsrca.org
> >
> >
> > 07/27/2005 09:33 AM
> >
> > Please respond to
> >
> > discussion at nsrca.org
> >
> >
> > To
> >
> > discussion at nsrca.org
> >
> > cc
> >
> > Subject
> >
> > Nats Judging Rebate
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Last week at the Nats, I had a talk with Nats event
> director, Dave
> > Guerin about judging no-shows. On the very first morning,
> Dave
> >had at
> > least three no-shows (F3A pilots who were supposed to
> judge the
> >Master
> > class). You can imagine the frustration of trying to
> reschedule
> >pilots
> > to cover for them, not to mention the delay in getting the
> events
> > started. This was not an isolated case. It happened over
> and
> >over
> > during the week. Some just forgot when they were supposed
> to
> >judge.
> > There were even some who were scheduled to judge on the
> third day,
>
> >who
> > decided to leave after two days and didn't tell anyone.
> >
> > We discussed having a "$50 judging rebate". It would work
> like
> >this:
> > In addition to the normal entry fees, $50 would be
> collected. If
> >a
> > pilot showed up to perform his scheduled judging session,
> he'd get
>
> >a
> > $50 rebate. If a pilot didn't show up to perform his
> scheduled
> >judging
> > session, the replacement judge would get the $50. BTW,
> the normal
> > stipend for pilots who perform extra judging sessions is
> $30.
> > Comments?
> >
> > Ron Van Putte
> >
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