[SPAM] Re: Snao G's

[Wayne Galligan]

What amazes me is how much this Funtana 90 I have will take.  And I am using an ST2300 on it.  When you look at the way it is built you think that it would never hold up to some of the manuvers it was designed to fly. But its not so much the engine as it is the entry speed and throttle control.  My pattern planes are built much tougher then this Funtana yet the Funtana has 1100 sg inches of parachute popping area that can slam some serious G's.   The pattern planes are flown at about 2 to 3x the speed so exponentially they are stressed more under a same type of maneuver.

Wayne G.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Ken Thompson III 
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  Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 4:57 PM
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  Walls I can see the stress, however I understand that the correct way to enter a wall is at 1/4 throttle or less.  I'm not one of those big ego guys, so correct me if I'm wrong.
  Parachutes are more of a controlled fall, from a partial wall up high, and Blenders begin from a stalled state.  Of course when you slam the throttle to push the plane through the Blender, that could hurt a bunch.

  Ken



  ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Ed Alt 
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    Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 5:05 PM
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    Yep, but the transition into it can be stressful.  Stuff like Walls, Parachutes, Blenders, certain brands of Waterfalls put mucho strain in the airframe.  
    Ed
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: Ken Thompson III 
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      Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 4:16 PM
      Subject: Re: Snao G's


      Matt,
      I could be wrong, but isn't 3D, by definition, done in a constant state of stall?  Wouldn't that eliminate a lot of the high G's in the maneuvers?  I wouldn't think the airframe would be in as stressed state, when the flying surface is depending on prop wash, not air speed, to do it's thing.

      Ken
        ----- Original Message ----- 
        From: Rcmaster199 at aol.com 
        To: discussion at nsrca.org 
        Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 1:46 PM
        Subject: Re: Snao G's


        If this accelerometer is finding 13 G loads generated by a Pattern model snap, a relatively low amount really, I imagine that a 3D model set up for a full array of stunts has to be experiencing double that at least.

        Earl could you do any 3D type maneuvers and measurements with the Yak?

        Very informative discussion BTW, and may result in improved more efficient building technique, read-- lightest for the desired strength.

        thanks

        matt

        In a message dated 1/28/2005 1:32:35 PM Eastern Standard Time, d.pappas at kodeos.com writes:
          That's proof of stall!
          If the G loading rises suddenly, and then holds or droops continuously during the roll, then it's probably an accelerated barrel.
          If the profile is sudden rise, sudden drop to maybe 1/2, then onload, you have a real snap.

          Yia,
              Dean

          Dean Pappas 
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          Kodeos Communications 
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          South Plainfield, N.J. 07080 
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            -----Original Message-----
            From: discussion-request at nsrca.org [mailto:discussion-request at nsrca.org]On Behalf Of Rcmaster199 at aol.com
            Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 11:45 AM
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            Subject: Re: Snao G's


            Good point. Once in the stall, the model should not see the same continued G load. Should drop dramatically. If the plane doesn't stall to begin with, different story.

            Matt

            In a message dated 1/28/2005 11:23:25 AM Eastern Standard Time, d.pappas at kodeos.com writes:
              Let me add another two cents worth ...
              Earl,
              What is the sampling rate on your data logger?
              Can you see if the maximum 13-Gs at 100 MPH was sustained for the entire half second or so that it took to complete the snap,
              or was it a short spike (like 0.1 second)  and then sustained at say half of that value, for the rest of the snap.
              Of course, if the data logger samples once a second, we have almost no way of knowing.

              Later,
                      Dean
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