Desafio 2000 S

Wed Jan 26 05:41:11 AKST 2005

East Peter...it's only Wednesday up here  :-)

Dan,
          A lot of people spent some very good money on this plane only to 
find out that it was not very "neutral" in the air. I am sure Peter was only 
trying to save you some grief.

I nearly wrote a reply similar to Peter's but hesitated because I was not 
sure why you were asking either?

Regards,

Eric.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Peter Pennisi" <pentagon.systems at bigpond.com>
To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 9:22 AM
Subject: RE: RE: Desafio 2000 S

Well excuse me for trying to help. Somewhere in this thread you said you
were a beginner. I was only trying to pass on some experience which I have
learnt over the past 20 years flying pattern. Didn't realise you were so
attached to this aircraft.

-----Original Message-----
From: discussion-request at nsrca.org [mailto:discussion-request at nsrca.org] On
Behalf Of bdbd at bellsouth.net
Sent: Wednesday, 26 January 2005 11:49 PM
To: discussion at nsrca.org
Subject: Re: RE: Desafio 2000 S

Peter,

This post started out as me asking for information on where I could find a
Desafio kit. What I ended up with was a total trash of the airplane. Lets
see what happens when I ask this question on the forum. " What plane would
you recommend?"

Dan
>
> From: "Peter Pennisi" <pentagon.systems at bigpond.com>
> Date: 2005/01/25 Tue PM 11:38:01 EST
> To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
> Subject: RE: Desafio 2000 S
>
>
>
> Dan,
>
> I flew a friend's model with the latest changes. To say the least I wasn't
> impressed. The model is certainly capable but you have to work to damm
hard
> to make a good flight. The model was at its best in the dead calm. Throw
in
> a bit of wind which meant you had to fly the rudder you start to realise
> that it was not a good model. The only way the model presents OK is if you
> fly it flat out so that smaller amounts of rudder are only used.
>
> I fly F3A in Aus. The model just doesn't have it at that level. In the
lower
> classes you may get good results because you tend not to touch the rudder
> too much.
>
> Just my opinion for what it's worth.
>
> There are much better models out there these days. Try to get your hands
on
> one and see what I mean.
>
> Peter
>
>
> Peter Pennisi
> Pentagon Systems QLD Pty Ltd
> P.O Box 4280
> Eight Mile Plains
> QLD 4113
> Australia
> Phone: 61+0738414234
> Fax: 61+0738414264
> Mobile: 0408007206
> Email: pentagon.systems at bigpond.com
> ________________________________________
> From: discussion-request at nsrca.org [mailto:discussion-request at nsrca.org]
On
> Behalf Of Holzworth
> Sent: Wednesday, 26 January 2005 1:29 PM
> To: discussion at nsrca.org
> Subject: Re: Desafio 2000 S
>
> The latest improvements were lowering the horizontal stab 20 mm , changing
> the rake of the vertical stab and rudder, changing the incidence of the
main
> wing and horizontal stab to rotate the plane to get rid of the tail low
> attitude and changing the gear. So far so good.
>
> Dan
>
> Bob Pastorello wrote:
>
> Dan - I'm glad yours is working; I had one of the early ones that had the
> wing improperly located, then the CG was wrong, then the stab position,
then
> the "size" of the stab....you get the picture.
>
> In all honesty, I bought it because I thought it would be just great.
Sorta
> like the current Quique Yak 54 is reported to be.
>
> I wish I'd hung in there a bit, but with all the jacking around with it, I
> took the coward's way out. I'm betting that several things got "fixed"
> before you got yours, and sure wish you well with it!!!
>
> Bob Pastorello
> NSRCA 199 AMA 46373
> rcaerobob at cox.net
> www.rcaerobats.net
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: Holzworth
> To: discussion at nsrca.org
> Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2005 8:25 PM
> Subject: Re: Desafio 2000 S
>
> Sorry to hear that. It is pitch sensative dialed down the throw added a
> little expo everthings ok. Not sure what your problem was with ground
> clearance but I hav eth bolly desafio gear and use a 17-10 still on the
> original prop no nicks yet. Have not touhed the cg, aileron throw or
> rudder throw since the original flight seems ok to me but I am a beginner
we
> will see how I do in the new season.
>
> Dan
>
> Bob Pastorello wrote:
>
> Actually, because of the gear location (too far aft) and too short, the
16.5
> x 12 two blade Bolly bit it on the FIRST TAXI...after the air cleared from
> the blue haze of my expletives, I put on a shorter APC flavor airscrew,
and
> it staggerred into the air, pitching and porpoising all the way. That was
> how I found out it had WAY too much elevator, and not NEARLY enough
anything
> else.
> So it flew...and hands off, it was WONDERFUL. But make a rudder,
> elevator, or aileron correction, and it was all over the place.
> I remember an eye-witness asking me "Have you got it?"
>
> Not too long before it went south.
>
> Bob Pastorello
> NSRCA 199 AMA 46373
> rcaerobob at cox.net
> www.rcaerobats.net
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: Holzworth
> To: discussion at nsrca.org
> Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2005 8:09 PM
> Subject: Re: Desafio 2000 S
>
> If it were that bad how did it get off the ground.
>
> Ed Hartley wrote:
>
> To land early? ? ? ?
>
> Ed
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: Bob Pastorello
> To: discussion at nsrca.org
> Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2005 8:43 PM
> Subject: Re: Desafio 2000 S
>
> No... they scored me to "land"
>
> Bob Pastorello
> NSRCA 199 AMA 46373
> rcaerobob at cox.net
> www.rcaerobats.net
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: RUDDERCABL at aol.com
> To: discussion at nsrca.org
> Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2005 7:40 PM
> Subject: Re: Desafio 2000 S
>
> In a message dated 1/25/2005 8:27:56 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> rcaerobob at cox.net writes:
> Well....since I've owned and flown both competitively....on a 1 to 10
> scale....10 being "can't be better" and 1 being "wish I didn't have
it"....
> The 2000 S was about minus 4....
>
> 'Course, just my biased opinion.
> Does that mean you gave the judges points to watch you fly it ?
>
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