Class Structure - 400S
tony at radiosouthrc.com
tony at radiosouthrc.com
Mon Jan 10 12:16:11 AKST 2005
Bob:
The main issue here is at what level should the Master's class difficulty be
set.
The entry sequence (Sportsman) should be PRETTY EASY... It has to be so
that new people will not be discouraged and say it is too hard.
Then, the other two classes have to be adjusted as needed to be between
Sportsman and Masters.
Personally, it sounds like we (NSRCA) needs to put into the BYLAWS a
definition of Master's class difficulty. It seems that surveys every other
year come up with different results, depending on how they are worded. If
we set a KF/maneuver number for Masters, then we can make the others fit
in-between. If you reviewed the Annex proposal from last time, there were
KF's listed on it for ALL classes.
Then, you have a couple of groups write schedules and be down with it..
I agree, we DO NOT NEED ANOTHER CLASS!
Tony Stillman
Radio South
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----- Original Message -----
From: <rcaerobob at cox.net>
To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
Sent: Monday, January 10, 2005 3:01 PM
Subject: Re: Re: Class Structure - 400S
> EVERY time we have a rules change/cycle pending, and we start discussing
> what to do....SOMEBODY says "Add another Class".
> It is obvious that I am the only person who sees how incredibly
> dis-serving this would be...no one else has spoken up!!!
>
> The main reason that "extra classes" get suggested, is because we have
> never had the chutzpa to get together in real consensus and build the
> class transistions properly. I remember when Verne had his set. I
> remember when we had a couple of pretty good schdules set up a few cycles
> back...BOOM. Blown up because WE - not anyone else - cannot get our act
> together in dealing with the core issues.
>
> If we decide we need another entry class, then it should be crystal clear
> that there is something WRONG with the Sportsman sequence, and that has
> happened because we had to make Intermediate more difficult so there
> wouldn't be this chasm to leap into Advanced, which we made more difficult
> because of the HUGE-er chasm into Masters!!!!!
>
> DOES NO ONE ELSE - REALLY - SEE this but ME ?????
> Ya'll gotta tell me, because if I am an "Army of One", I'll just go away,
> and let ya'll figger out fer yerselves.
>
> SOMEBODY tell me.....straight up!!!
>
> BOb Pastorello
> (Having a MONDAY at the salt mine!!!!!!!!!!!)
>>
>> From: "Grow Pattern" <pattern4u at comcast.net>
>> Date: 2005/01/10 Mon PM 12:54:15 EST
>> To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
>> Subject: Re: Re: Class Structure - 400S
>>
>> Yes like SPA.
>>
>> I am a big fan of SPA but it has one thing that does not work that well
>> for
>> me. That is the planes flown.
>>
>> The 400S class would use current models, if the pilot so desired. Of
>> course
>> the older designs might well prove to competitive again - how cunning of
>> me
>> to even suggest that. Also the age of the pilot is not really a rule.
>>
>> The 400S class would find its own level just like water.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Eric.
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Jim Ivey" <jivey61 at bellsouth.net>
>> To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
>> Sent: Monday, January 10, 2005 12:41 PM
>> Subject: Re: Re: Class Structure - 400S
>>
>>
>> > Eric
>> > As in SPA.......
>> >
>> > Jim Ivey
>> >>
>> >> From: "Grow Pattern" <pattern4u at comcast.net>
>> >> Date: 2005/01/10 Mon PM 12:32:40 EST
>> >> To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
>> >> Subject: Re: Class Structure - 400S
>> >>
>> >> It may well be that we need a similar routine for the older flyers who
>> >> now
>> >> find turnarounds to be too far away? (No tease or insult intended.)
>> >> I'm
>> >> just being realistic and live close to there right now.
>> >>
>> >> The class would have NO progression or pointing-out exit rules. Enter
>> >> if
>> >> you
>> >> want. Call it 400S. S=sport=fun etc...
>> >>
>> >> For the record I have always liked the idea of a non-turnaround
>> >> starter/primer.fun-acrobatics schedule.
>> >>
>> >> Regards,
>> >>
>> >> Eric,
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> From: "Tom Simes" <nsrca at shinymetalass.com>
>> >> To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
>> >> Sent: Monday, January 10, 2005 12:19 PM
>> >> Subject: Re: Class Structure
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> > On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 11:09:04 -0500
>> >> > "Del Rykert" <drykert at localnet.com> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> Hi Verne.
>> >> >> I am only 1 vote but you would have my support as many I have
>> >> >> tried to get to consider giving pattern a try were intimidated
>> >> >> by
>> >> >> the box and keeping a group of maneuvers in it. Without a coach
>> >> >> was to over whelming for them.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> del
>> >> >
>> >> > Rather than formally creating a new division or simplifying the
>> >> > sportsman sequence, how about addressing the issue locally as needed
>> >> > with something like a "newbie hour" prior to starting the contest?
>> >> >
>> >> > It seems to me that instead of a single cause such as turn around
>> >> > maneuvers, or flying within the box itself, there are likely a wide
>> >> > variety of fairly minor barriers which keep pilots from making the
>> >> > leap
>> >> > from being interested to being participants. This list is ample
>> >> > evidence of both our desire to grow the sport and help each other.
>> >> > While everyone is getting unpacked and set up, how about formally
>> >> > setting aside an hour to help newbies one on one nail that maneuver
>> >> > that
>> >> > eludes them, get their plane trimmed, get their engine running
>> >> > right,
>> >> > or
>> >> > just give them 5 minutes on a buddy box flying a well set up pattern
>> >> > plane with an experienced pilot. In short, take an hour and do what
>> >> > you
>> >> > can to push someone over the interested hump and into participant
>> >> > mode.
>> >> >
>> >> > Some folks fall naturally into the mentoring mode and would
>> >> > volunteer
>> >> > for the duty, but if that fails maybe the mentoring could be part of
>> >> > first round judging duties.
>> >> >
>> >> > What do you think?
>> >> >
>> >> > --
>> >> > Tom
>> >> >
>> >> > _____________________________________________________________________
>> >> >
>> >> > | , | Tom Simes
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