Class Structure

Sun Jan 9 16:38:08 AKST 2005

Verne,

Great post.

If I can add some thoughts - moving up through classes is not just about learning new maneuvers, it also involves learning trimming and airplane setups for new flight regimes/maneuvers.

The entry level class (name it whatever is PC at that particular moment in time) should be easy - super simple in my opinion - because the pilot still has to learn and contend with -
- being on the flightline and consistently having the equipment and mental preparations complete for a flight.
- learning centering and positioning in the box.
- flying a straight line (wings level, maintaining distance and altitude in all areas of the box).

The class should be as simple and easy to make it approachable by all.  I think the entry level class should be flyable by pilots with a trainer that have recently solo'd - get guys interested while they are in the learning phase.  I think the contests should be 1 day only (2 separate 1 day contests for events that are 2 days long for the other classes).  I don't think the entry level class should crown a year end District Championship - anyone who wants to seriously campaign in pattern is already hooked, and should move up to the next level - keep a true pattern newbie from having to compete with some who is already committed to pattern.  I don't see the entry level class being too easy as a problem - someone can always choose to start in a higher class.

Regards,

Dave Lockhart
DaveL322 at comcast.net

----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Verne Koester 
  To: NSRCA 
  Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2005 6:58 PM
  Subject: Class Structure

  Georgie,
  Here's a novel idea. Leave Intermediate alone and take the snaps out of 
  Advanced. A pilot coming out of Intermediate into Advanced already has to 
  learn Slow Rolls, 4 Point Rolls, and a longer schedule with more crosswind 
  exposure maneuvers which is plenty.

  The step from Advanced to Masters is minimal at best. The step from 
  Intermediate to Advanced is monumental. The end result is a bunch of pilots 
  in Intermediate that are getting bored with their schedule but still not 
  ready for Advanced so they want to add snaps to it. Only problem is that 
  someone coming out of Sportsman will likely be scared away if Intermediate 
  is made any tougher.

  It's no surprise to me that the number of Masters pilots at any given 
  contest are far greater than the classes that precede it. Most of us who are 
  there came up through a balanced system of steps. We're all out of whack 
  right now. Unfortunately, I seem to be one of only a handful of Masters and 
  higher pilots that still remembers how hard it was to learn slow and 4 point 
  rolls which gets introduced at the Advanced level. Take the snaps and spins 
  out of Advanced and introduce them at the Masters level, put some box exits 
  back where they need to be, and you'll have a logical, balanced, and 
  transitional  set of schedules that takes a pilot from Sportsman to however 
  high he or she wants to go.

  Verne Koester

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: "George Kennie" <geobet at gis.net>
  To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
  Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2005 2:28 PM
  Subject: Re: adding interest and complexity to Sportsman ... again and again 
  and

  > <<I'm not flying masters, I'm flying advanced, the reason is
  > Masters is
  > more difficult than I think I can reasonably fly at this time, so
  > I'll work my way up. >>
  >
  > I respectfully disagree with your assessment of schedule difficulty.
  > I get the feeling that you haven't taken the time to sit down and
  > really study the current Master's sequence. I commend your attitude
  > of working your way up!!!IMHO, I find the current Master's much less
  > threatening than the Advanced sequence.
  >
  > Somebody mentioned "going to contests without practicing", and
  > indeed I can remember, back in the 60's going to a contest myself
  > having never performed the required routine and doing quite well at
  > the time.However those were significantly different times and I
  > myself would not desire to return to the mindset of that period.It
  > was called a "Pattern Contest" and the attendance was probably a
  > couple of hundred guys, but the mindset was more like a current day
  > "Fun- Fly". Nobody really took it all that seriously. Somewhere
  > along the line, the few individuals that did have a more serious
  > approach organized and brought a more serious aspect to the sport
  > realizing that the basis for guys going out and flying a routine
  > that was in fact JUDGED meant that the concept must
  > be"COMPETITION".  I think that this is probably the reason you still
  > find the most heavily attended events to be "Fun-Fly's". When it
  > gets too serious there are a lot of guys that start to feel
  > threatened regarding their status within the group structure and
  > when the pressure becomes, in their estimation, greater than feels
  > comfortable to them, they gravitate to a different venue that
  > restores the level of comfort they deem appropriate.
  > The same thing seems to happen, in my judgement, with  schedule
  > complexity.Some of us realize that if the schedules become more and
  > more complex, at some point the difficulty factor will become
  > significant enough to threaten our currently hard won achievement
  > status, and indeed this is true.The decision that probably needs to
  > be reasoned through is,in light of this truth, should the pursuit of
  > excellence be sacrificed to satisfy the inadequacies of those of us
  > who are clammoring to maintain their elevation?
  > I consider myself a part of this equation and recognize my own
  > inadequacies, however I  also realize that this same pursuit of
  > excellence will not be enhanced by any concession to tilt the
  > playing field in my favor. Noone will be served by that tack. Least
  > of all ME! My flying prowess ranks somewhere between Sportsman and
  > Intermediate(my assessment), and though I find a couple of the FAI
  > maneuvers really tough to execute in a graceful manner, I still feel
  > that there is no maneuver that I could not learn to do and given
  > another 50 years of practice I might even be in a position to
  > challenge Jason.
  > It's about STRIVING guys. That's what COMPETITION is! And it's
  > purpose is to determine the most skilled individual, with the rest
  > of us rated in descending order beneath the rating of the BEST! So,
  > as you can see, I'm not in favor of wussing out to make things
  > easier for anybody who finds their position at the pinnacle
  > precarious(and that includes ME).
  > Now, all that being said, I do feel that we may have a void at the
  > bottom and should probably go back again and reconsider a pre-novice
  > class for the guy who has only been involved in the sport for 2
  > weeks and has never practiced flying a straight line.This shouldn't
  > take much additional time as the number of guys showing up to
  > participate in this class will indeed be very few (which begs the
  > question, how far do we have to concede in order to grow the
  > ranks?).
  > The Sportsman sequence I proposed a couple of days ago DOES appear
  > to be too difficult for some of the respondants(but not all) and
  > maybe the old Novice schedule should be made available for anybody
  > showing up to try (as a pre-novice event).I also think that the
  > Intermediate should introduce it's participant to the 45 downline
  > snap or at least a center snap on a horizontal baseline as
  > preparation for Advanced.
  > Only a bunch of opinions, guys! Don't mean I'm right!
  > G.
  >
  >
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