PL Products

[Ed Miller]

I have the District 1 record for how to make the lightest rudder.....hint.....heat is the key.
Ed M.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Mike Hester 
  To: discussion at nsrca.org 
  Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 10:08 PM
  Subject: Re: PL Products


  I agree, but it's still entirely doable.

  Perhaps not for the first time builder, but it can be done, and it's not THAT difficult. You just have to take some extra steps and be more thoughtful of every single piece that goes on the plane, structural or equipment. I was told it can't be done PERIOD. That sort of made me twitch. Yes it can, it's just not as easy as a 10.5 lb plane, and gets exponentially more difficult the lower you go. 

  -Mike
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: David Lockhart 
    To: discussion at nsrca.org 
    Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 9:55 PM
    Subject: Re: PL Products


    9.5 lbs by itself is easy.

    9.5 lbs AND straight AND strong AND durable is something entirely different!!!!

    Dave
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: Mike Hester 
      To: discussion at nsrca.org 
      Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 7:24 PM
      Subject: Re: PL Products


      Just saw this.

      That's funny, a well known "expert" told me yours was an isolated incident. Interesting, thanks for sharing. Of course this same expert told me there was no way I could build a plane as big as a Partner at 9 1/2 lbs. Even offered to bet me, but wouldn't bite on my price =) (GOD how I wish he would!)

      Nobody is perfect, but a few people go to great lengths to ignore and dismiss problems. I dunno, it sucks, but I think when you have a problem and are told nothing is wrong or it's your fault, something is obviously amiss. Then to hear you aren't alone, well that does change things.

      -Mike

        ----- Original Message ----- 
        From: tony at radiosouthrc.com 
        To: discussion at nsrca.org 
        Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 10:30 AM
        Subject: Re: PL Products


        Derek:

        Kind of reminds me of the Excellence that I had that blew off a wing... The wing socket was not installed properly (Quique had the SAME problem and had to go to France to show them how to fix it).  The offered me 10% off another kit....  What a deal!  

        After many e-mails and some intervention by Quique on my behalf, they agreed to replace the kit, but I still had to pay $350 in shipping cost...  At least I did get something....

        Now you know why I designed my own last year (Panacea) and it is kitted by PAC.....  If anyone is looking for a great flying KIT to build, contact PAC!

        Tony Stillman
        Radio South
        3702 N. Pace Blvd.
        Pensacola, FL 32505
        1-800-962-7802
        www.radiosouthrc.com
          ----- Original Message ----- 
          From: Derek Koopowitz 
          To: discussion at nsrca.org 
          Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 11:39 PM
          Subject: RE: PL Products


          Well, the biggest question in my mind... is will he honor replacing the damaged Partner fuselage that arrived at my doorstep in June of last year?  After promising to replace it in August - I'm still waiting for it.

          BTW, I've kept this out of this forum but he blamed ME for it arriving damaged at my doorstep.  Hmmm... 



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          From: discussion-request at nsrca.org [mailto:discussion-request at nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Russell Honea
          Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 9:35 PM
          To: discussion at nsrca.org
          Subject: Re: PL Products


          Guys,

          Here is an e-mail reply that Patrick sent to me today in reply to a question I posed to him about the closing of PL. 


          Hello Mr Russell Honea

          Sadden of this problem yes the company(society) pl prod and close but we are going to honor all the commands(orders) gift(donation) pl prod received a deposit by a buyer(rescuer) and I would be as engineering manager to reassure your customers we are going soon to be able to take your order 
          Thank you to still take one can of patience sums us in plain reorganization to worry you not we are going soon to be able to answer has your demand you can count on us for 2005 with a great novelty which is going to upset world you can inform about it your forum
          Has very soon 

          Patrick Lemonnier

            ----- Original Message ----- 
            From: Lance Van Nostrand 
            To: discussion at nsrca.org 
            Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 10:41 PM
            Subject: Re: PL Products


            Patrick is some interesting character.  Thought I was re-reading Les Miserables for a minute there.
            --Lance

              ----- Original Message ----- 
              From: Derek Koopowitz 
              To: discussion at nsrca.org 
              Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 10:18 PM
              Subject: RE: PL Products


              Yes - this is true.  I got this message off a French discussion forum... I've run it through a translator so don't laugh too hard:

              DEVELOPED FOR the RAGOTEURS IN ANY KIND "makes of them the four or five slobbery over-devouts of the forum" because the other members are unaware of them. With their place I will have shame to have had such remarks to know that it is only about anonymous letter since the latter not courage to employ their own name and sign under pseudo. But I make a point of announcing to them all the same that in the event of deposit of complaint for slandering, the qualified services would have the possibility of identifying them without difficulty. For a few weeks, I have followed time to other the forums model makers which comment on the event and I think that it is time for me to intervene and to give the things to the point. First of all PL PROD was not put in bankruptcy but it is of my own initiative that I filed for bankruptcy, which in France is an act of management and not a personal bankruptcy. Much among you will understand that it is humanly difficult to announce this kind of decision by Internet, namely that moreover it was impossible to to me to do it day when liquidation was marked with the court since the discontinuance of business was imminent whereas I hoped to have an agreement of the judge to be able to finish my deliveries in the course of customers whose installment had been boxed. The reasons of my decision are not like it was known as in the forum a lack of order quite to the contrary. But with my problems of health which last since more than one year, I have no possibility to work like before and I had to engage of the personnel to face my many orders. Unfortunately, the same problems which were the cause of the legal rectification in 2000, again arose; employees not qualified to form, wages and exuberant social contributions compared to work provided, various prud' man for certain employees who believed any knowledge... and obviously in France the employer is always wrong, all this generates enormous court expenses. Like he was said by a member of the forum, it is true that a great number of SME or SME are only delocalized abroad and to be to relieve of the social contributions which are much too heavy in France. Moreover why not consider such a solution for the future!!!!! I knew well that the vultures would be with the mounting and I announce to crafty one who think, I quote them: "to be made gold testicles" and which in their dream reserve parts, or "foreigners with their full pocket" or those still which think that the company is not worth anything, and well for some it has a very great value and for all those which would like to come to make deals, they will may find it beneficial to have very solid finances because they will have vis-a-vis them somebody which has them to him and moreover one hard motivation like a "rock". Personally my only wish currently is to make return a maximum of money at the time of the sale so that the syndic can deaden the debts to the maximum. As opposed to what Mr. PALERMO announced following his visit in my residence where is located the company, the buildings are not emptied, all stock and the machines remained in place as at the day of the pronunciation of liquidation. And will remain it under my personal guard without the syndic did not consider it useful to put at it sealed or to remove the material. What shows a whole confidence on behalf of the syndic towards me. I also expected to see some unloading some ones, to see whether there were nothing with grappiller and indeed I saw some coming some, of which Mr. PALERMO and his son. I quote them bus me I do not hide like them behind pseudo on the forums to hold to with it of the defamatory and erroneous remarks. Such as: To say that my wife supposedly said to him that it refused to return her cheque to him. In connection with this given cheque on November 6 and to box that on December 1, I consider that there was not of order since it is the payment of the installment which confirms the latter. However not being able to be taken into account since the company did not exist any more at the date of November 25 this one became by this null and void fact. This cheque will be sent dice tomorrow by the post office in recommended A.R with a letter which will accompany it I join copy to you. Frankly, what I will have make of a cheque of 330 € to the order of PL PROD!!!! I am not a swindler, far from there!!! I also advise to him to consult the statutes of the company, it will note that my concubine "Simone" does not have any share nor bond in company PL PROD. It affirms to be badly received, those which know us well, know our direction of the reception. However well on not having let it return in the buildings, in order to appease his curiosity and I think after having read his remarks on this forum, I suspect it of having wanted to be useful itself in stock since it felt swindled whereas its cheque of installment was never cashed and that it will be it never. I would like just to announce to the son of Mr. Palermo that if he wrote under the dictation of his father, he should learn how to judge by itself of the reality of the facts and that if he wrote his own initiative which he is still quite young person and inexperienced to hold such remarks because nobody knows what the future can hold to him instead of unnecessarily wasting its time in the forums that he should take of the French courses. I also prevent, all those which are to adapt the photographs of Clara MORGANE on my site PL PROD without authorization, that these photographs are the property of Patrick LEMONNIER personally, that they cost me 8000 € for the day of installation with authorization of exclusive diffusion on stores where they appeared and on my site. However with all these, I join the article of the penal code to you which relates to them: ATTACK A LIFE PRIVEE BY RECORDING AND DIFFUSION OF The IMAGE Of A PERSON WITHOUT HER ASSENT ARTICLE 226-1 AND 226-2 OF CODE PENAL. I highly invite them to withdraw these photographs of their site which I already recorded as proof if I do not have excuses into public on this forum like that was made to dirty me. If not Clara MORGANE will be made a pleasure of requiring significant damages of them. Act quickly because I am not patient kind in this field. In addition my personal businesses look at me and I never neither was windy myself about it nor hidden and these last do not have absolutely anything to see with the company PL PROD which never did not produce or diffused a film in this field. It is not a "SCOOP" to speak about it! That each one does its housework in front of its door before dealing with that of the neighbor. PL PROD was always more one passion that a profitability (I am not enrichiesur the account of the company quite to the contrary, I invested myself as much physically than financially) I think of having done what is necessary to advance the world of the model amongst other things reduces the FÁ and the F3M including the electric innovation in FÁ. It should be known that to make model reduced for the high level competition is a very delicate trade, very difficult and fragile especially if one wants to make "HAUTE COUTURE". My great satisfaction currently is of knowing that a great number of my models are copied throughout the whole World and by many international companies. Whereas a few years ago I took that for an affront, now I am proud. With my opinion the progression will be much slower if there are no more my models to copy. Will know that Patrick LEMONNIER did not say his last word, that one should not sell the skin of the bear before having it to kill and I am still quite alive and the head full with ideas for the future. I thank the regulator for this forum which knew after a fashion to make reign the order about the insults towards Clara MORGANE and I think that that should not have been easy. I thank, also, those which took my defense on this forum as those which remained quiet vis-a-vis these commérages thus showing the contempt that they bring vis-a-vis such remarks and I know that you are numerous. I think of having been honest and courteous and I find damage to be obliged to justify itself on a forum in this way there and I hope that in the future those which will have some things to say to me or to wonder will do it directly on my personal e-mail patricklemonnier at wanadoo.fr I make all reserves on the action pursuant which I will take to these slanderings. I clearly hope to have been. Patrick LEMONNIER




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              From: discussion-request at nsrca.org [mailto:discussion-request at nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Verne Koester
              Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 8:13 PM
              To: NSRCA
              Subject: PL Products


              I just heard a rumour that PL Products has gone out of business. Anybody heard anything?

              Thanks,

              Verne Koester
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