AMA MASTER'S unknown?

[Grow Pattern]

I know a certain Masters pilot who borrowed my caller and subsequently won 
the round - won't let that happen again :-) (VBG)


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Archie Stafford" <rcpattern at comcast.net>
To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 10:19 PM
Subject: RE: AMA MASTER'S unknown?


> In some ways I think even normal sequences can be considered a team event.
> I know there are some pilots out there that they have flown a sequence 400
> times and if you asked them the next maneuver they might have trouble
> telling you because they ALWAYS fly with a caller.  I don't have that
> luxury.  I don't think there have really been issues in FAI where there 
> have
> been problems with callers.  There probably have been, but it is not
> something that you hear of regularly.  I don't think you'd have that many
> problems in that environment, because for the most part I'm sure the 
> pilots
> could handle it, and I don't think there would be many problems with the
> callers.  Now if you took someone off the street for the first time and 
> had
> them call, then sure it would be tough.  But I would bet at some point 
> most
> Masters pilots have called FAI for someone that they normally do not fly
> with and may not even have read the sequence til the person asked them to,
> and they still made it through the sequence without any problems, just 
> from
> an understand of how to call.
>
> In my previous answers I didn't mean to say that there was anything wrong
> with the current setup.  I think it works well.  Eric asked a question and 
> I
> responded.  I personally enjoy trying new things and experimenting with
> different patterns and maneuvers.  I think the unknowns even for one 
> flight
> in the masters finals might be fun and challenging.  Even doing it like 
> they
> do in FAI.  2 knowns and 2 unknowns, or even just 1 unknown would add to 
> the
> challenge and make things more fun in my opinion.  I will be at the NATS
> either way next year and following years  and still have a great time.
>
> A possible idea would be to try it one year with this setup.  Fly 3 knowns
> and 1 unknown.  Keep the best 3 of those rounds, plus your carry over 
> score.
> That way if you totally hated the unknown it wouldnt hurt your score since
> you could drop that round, but for someone that scored well on the unknown
> it could help their placing.
>
> Just an idea,
>
> Arch
>
>
>  _____
>
> From: discussion-request at nsrca.org [mailto:discussion-request at nsrca.org] 
> On
> Behalf Of Dean Pappas
> Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 10:06 PM
> To: discussion at nsrca.org
> Subject: RE: AMA MASTER'S unknown?
>
> Archie,
> I disagree, the unknowns make it a team event.
> Regards,
> Deanm Pappas
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: discussion-request at nsrca.org on behalf of Archie Stafford
> Sent: Thu 1/6/2005 6:47 PM
> To: discussion at nsrca.org
> Cc:
> Subject: RE: AMA MASTER'S unknown?
> I think you can fly unknowns and also make them very precise and smooth.
> Look at the FAI finals.  Other than the roller I think the sequence flowed
> very well and the top pilots made it look like they had been flying it for 
> a
> long time.  Even if you used past sequences or rearranged the current
> sequence.
>
> I do not think this makes it a "team" event with the caller.  Most pilots
> have the callers they generally use and that person usually knows when the
> person they are calling for likes to hear the next maneuver.  Also if you
> use maneuvers that have been previously used or maneuvers that are
> reasonably well known then you shouldn't have a judging problem.  If this 
> is
> going to be used at the NATS finals, then the judging is usually 
> reasonably
> good anyway.  I'm sure there will be varying opinions on that, but for the
> most part judging in the finals is overall very good.
>
> The better pilots are going to make an unknown sequence look smooth and
> precise no matter how many times they have flown it.  I think unknowns
> definitely help you determine who the best pilot is.
>
>
>  _____
>
> From: discussion-request at nsrca.org [mailto:discussion-request at nsrca.org] 
> On
> Behalf Of Bob Pastorello
> Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 6:40 PM
> To: discussion at nsrca.org
> Subject: Re: AMA MASTER'S unknown?
>
> I guess since I never take a position on anything, I should probably do so
> on this -- so -- here 'tis.
>
> 1.  This is a genuine yes/no POLL question of the MASTERS pilots 
> only....and
> needs to be carefully administered, IF the Board is interested in opening
> this one.
> 2.  If the POLL has at least 2/3 majority, then the next question should 
> be
> designed to find out how crazy we (Masters) pilots are about having our
> scores judged by JUDGES WHO HAVE NEVER SEEN THE SEQUENCE  and
> 3.  How crazy we are about the totally-impossible-to-fairly-administer
> influence of the "team".  At this level of competitions (you guys are
> talking about the NATS FINALS, for G---s sake!!!) I would be hard pressed 
> to
> say it will be "fair" to have the outcome determined by who had the best
> caller (or the most effective team).  Not everyone can do that...  and
> finally ....
> 4.  MASTERS is supposed to be the Top AMA class....as such, 
> philosophically,
> I think it should be the best - the VERY best - of precision, smoothness,
> and gracefulness....
>
> AND implementing an Unknown turns all that back into "IMPRESSION"
> judging....
>
> I'm not in favor of it;  won't be; won't try to persuade others to be; and
> believe wholeheartedly that if a pilot is strongly committed to flying
> Unknowns that he go play IMAC.  Then fly "Pattern" for precision, 
> practiced,
> smooth and skillfully-executed "routines".
>
> Bob Pastorello
> NSRCA 199  AMA 46373
> rcaerobob at cox.net
> www.rcaerobats.net
>
>
> 

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