AMA MASTER'S unknown?
Bob Kane
getterflash at yahoo.com
Thu Jan 6 19:12:45 AKST 2005
No Verne, you are a pattern God . . . . . . .
--- Verne Koester <verne at twmi.rr.com> wrote:
> Eric,
> I think you meant GOOD perspectives. GOD
> perspectives come from FAI..... ;>)
>
> Verne
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Grow Pattern
> To: discussion at nsrca.org
> Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 9:17 PM
> Subject: Re: AMA MASTER'S unknown?
>
>
> Verne,
> God perspectives - Thank you.
>
> Eric.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Verne Koester
> To: discussion at nsrca.org
> Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 8:27 PM
> Subject: Re: AMA MASTER'S unknown?
>
>
> Eric,
> Well, okay, you pulled me out of the shadows.
> I'm dead set against an unknown in the finals for a
> variety of reason. Bob Pastorello just rattled off a
> bunch of them in another post so I'll try not to
> repeat those. Most Masters pilots could do a
> credible job in FAI with practice. This is not to
> say that a Masters finalist would likely be an FAI
> finalist because I don't think they would. By the
> same token, I don't think we'd be at the bottom of
> the heap, either. However, the one common thread I
> hear again and again among Masters pilots is a lack
> of the time required to become competitive with two
> separate schedules. In addition, there's a couple of
> big differences between flying the finals and flying
> the prelims. In no particular order, the judging is
> more consistent, there's no distraction from midair
> close calls, there's more pressure and so on.
> Combined, these things can both help and hurt the
> contestant with the main effect being that flying in
> the finals is very different than flying in the
> prelims. Leave the unknowns and/or finals schedules
> for those pilots that choose to fly in that
> environment and that environment is FAI. I don't see
> any benefit in tinkering with something that's not
> broken. If anything, it'll prevent those that don't
> have the preparation time from showing up in the
> first place.
>
> Verne Koester
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Grow Pattern
> To: discussion at nsrca.org
> Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 7:00 PM
> Subject: Re: AMA MASTER'S unknown?
>
>
> Archie,
> I am particularly interested in
> what you say because as a person who actually
> attends the Nat's, you are therefore well positioned
> to have and entertain new ideas. As a person who
> makes it to the finals you are both experiential and
> a potential who would fly this stuff. You are more
> than just a theorist. How do other ex-finalist
> think?
>
> The subject heading says unknowns not
> impossibles....The maneuvers would not (be intended
> to) be more difficult. Just stringing them together
> would be difficult to sort the finalists out...
>
> Regards,
>
> Eric.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Archie Stafford
> To: discussion at nsrca.org
> Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 6:47 PM
> Subject: RE: AMA MASTER'S unknown?
>
>
> I think you can fly unknowns and also make
> them very precise and smooth. Look at the FAI
> finals. Other than the roller I think the sequence
> flowed very well and the top pilots made it look
> like they had been flying it for a long time. Even
> if you used past sequences or rearranged the current
> sequence.
>
>
>
> I do not think this makes it a "team" event
> with the caller. Most pilots have the callers they
> generally use and that person usually knows when the
> person they are calling for likes to hear the next
> maneuver. Also if you use maneuvers that have been
> previously used or maneuvers that are reasonably
> well known then you shouldn't have a judging
> problem. If this is going to be used at the NATS
> finals, then the judging is usually reasonably good
> anyway. I'm sure there will be varying opinions on
> that, but for the most part judging in the finals is
> overall very good.
>
>
>
> The better pilots are going to make an
> unknown sequence look smooth and precise no matter
> how many times they have flown it. I think unknowns
> definitely help you determine who the best pilot is.
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
> From: discussion-request at nsrca.org
> [mailto:discussion-request at nsrca.org] On Behalf Of
> Bob Pastorello
> Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 6:40 PM
> To: discussion at nsrca.org
> Subject: Re: AMA MASTER'S unknown?
>
>
>
> I guess since I never take a position on
> anything, I should probably do so on this -- so --
> here 'tis.
>
>
>
> 1. This is a genuine yes/no POLL question
> of the MASTERS pilots only....and needs to be
> carefully administered, IF the Board is interested
> in opening this one.
>
> 2. If the POLL has at least 2/3 majority,
> then the next question should be designed to find
> out how crazy we (Masters) pilots are about having
> our scores judged by JUDGES WHO HAVE NEVER SEEN THE
> SEQUENCE and
>
> 3. How crazy we are about the
> totally-impossible-to-fairly-administer influence of
> the "team". At this level of competitions (you guys
> are talking about the NATS FINALS, for G---s
> sake!!!) I would be hard pressed to say it will be
> "fair" to have the outcome determined by who had the
> best caller (or the most effective team). Not
> everyone can do that... and finally ....
>
> 4. MASTERS is supposed to be the Top AMA
> class....as such, philosophically, I think it should
> be the best - the VERY best - of precision,
> smoothness, and gracefulness....
>
>
>
> AND implementing an Unknown turns all that
> back into "IMPRESSION" judging....
>
>
>
> I'm not in favor of it; won't be; won't try
> to persuade others to be; and believe wholeheartedly
> that if a pilot is strongly committed to flying
> Unknowns that he go play IMAC. Then fly "Pattern"
> for precision, practiced, smooth and
> skillfully-executed "routines".
>
>
> Bob Pastorello
> NSRCA 199 AMA 46373
> rcaerobob at cox.net
> www.rcaerobats.net
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: Ed Deaver
>
> To: discussion at nsrca.org
>
> Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 3:54 PM
>
> Subject: Re: AMA MASTER'S unknown?
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Bob Kane
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