[SPAM] Re: [SPAM] Re: AMA MASTER'S unknown?

[Ed Alt]

I think it's fairly easy to come up with a poor sequence, even from a list of only 25 figures.  Not everyone can put together a good sequence.  I saw this every year at many a contest with IMAC unknowns.  There a small handful of guys that can do a sequence design well, then there's everybody else.  What problem are we trying to solve by doing this?

Ed
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Rcmaster199 at aol.com 
  To: discussion at nsrca.org 
  Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 5:10 PM
  Subject: Re: [SPAM] Re: AMA MASTER'S unknown?


  Similar to what Eric H wrote in his last column, would Masters pilots entertain the idea of Semi-Final round on the last day of Prelims at the Nats? Every one would fly the Semi-Final schedule during the last day of prelims. Then the same schedule could be flown in a Finals format, or even alternate between the picked sequence and the current Prelim schedule in Finals. 

  The schedule sequence could be picked by the CD or his representative from a list of 25-30 maneuvers as Troy N. suggests, and be given out at the Pilots meeting Sunday evening. It's sure to liven things up a bit Wed. 

  What do Masters pilots think?

  MattK

  In a message dated 1/6/2005 1:55:00 PM Eastern Standard Time, troy_newman at msn.com writes:
    Why not give the pilots a list of 25 maneuvers. Of these 25 possible only 15 will be used in the unknown. This is what the TOC used to do. These would be stuff that you have already seen and done..Just different looks. Like 4pts, 8pts, no rolling loops, circles or other circus tricks. Just stuff from older Masters sequences and Difficulty levels that are on a par with the current 404 skill level. This list would be out in the open above board and all pilots would know it. Then when the sequence was handed out it could be managed. Besides F3A...We all know what the possible maneuvers will be. There are just about 500-600 of them and the pilots pick the sequence. To manage this on a  Masters skill level, make the list only 25 possible and then the pilots can practice all 25 and be prepared.

    Then its a semi unknown. 

    Another solution if you want to walk this line is that the Finals schedule is really that its known say June 1st or maybe July 1st...Then if the pilot wants to practice he can and if he doesn't it need not.

    Just some other ideas.

    Personally I think its a neat idea...But I don't fly the Masters so its up to the people that fly it to make the call.

    I think this type of thing would be welcomed by the pilots that are flying the event. Its a challenge and is fun. One thing we always hear from the IMAC contests is that the pilots like the fact there are unknowns. I personally enjoy the Unknowns in the F3A event. I think this would elevate the Masters pilots to a new level and build their skills. 

    Tony Stillman, RVP and I discussed this in detail last year 2003. We thought it could work and that many of the Masters guys would like it and welcome it. Who knows? 

    TN
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: Bob Richards 
      To: discussion at nsrca.org 
      Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 11:24 AM
      Subject: Re: AMA MASTER'S unknown?


      I can see both sides. If only one pattern is ever flown, the person that has practiced the most, whether a "natural" or not, has a better chance of being rewarded for all the effort. An unknown sequence would most likely go to the person that is the overall best flyer, with a little less dependence on the amount of actual practice time.

      An unknown sequence must be known to at least one person. Keeping a sequence secret may be tough. There could always be the possibility of the secret getting out, or even some competitors being able to guess what might be in the sequence just by knowing the preferences of the person(s) in charge of developing the unknown.

      I think I would rather see a prelim/finals, with EVERYONE flying the finals. Let the finals be a different schedule, but known in advance of the contest. Would be a good time to showcase the next-year's schedule, if it exists.

      Knowing the sequence in advance would also be a good thing for the people that will have to judge as well, IMHO.

      Bob Richards.


      Rcmaster199 at aol.com wrote:
        The concept has alot of merit in respect to keeping Finals day more lively in Masters. Either a different schedule or an unknown thrown in, or both. 

        MattK
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