PL Products

Thu Jan 6 07:11:07 AKST 2005

Hi,

If there are so many problems with overseas products why not shop in North
America? The Mantis Ex is available in North America, build Canada to be
precise, and comes with great service.

Wouter

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From: discussion-request at nsrca.org [mailto:discussion-request at nsrca.org] On
Behalf Of tony at radiosouthrc.com
Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 08:31
To: discussion at nsrca.org
Subject: Re: PL Products

Derek:

Kind of reminds me of the Excellence that I had that blew off a wing... The
wing socket was not installed properly (Quique had the SAME problem and had
to go to France to show them how to fix it).  The offered me 10% off another
kit....  What a deal!  

After many e-mails and some intervention by Quique on my behalf, they agreed
to replace the kit, but I still had to pay $350 in shipping cost...  At
least I did get something....

Now you know why I designed my own last year (Panacea) and it is kitted by
PAC.....  If anyone is looking for a great flying KIT to build, contact PAC!

Tony Stillman
Radio South
3702 N. Pace Blvd.
Pensacola, FL 32505
1-800-962-7802
www.radiosouthrc.com

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From: Derek <mailto:derekkoopowitz at earthlink.net>  Koopowitz 

To: discussion at nsrca.org 

Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 11:39 PM

Subject: RE: PL Products

Well, the biggest question in my mind... is will he honor replacing the
damaged Partner fuselage that arrived at my doorstep in June of last year?
After promising to replace it in August - I'm still waiting for it.

BTW, I've kept this out of this forum but he blamed ME for it arriving
damaged at my doorstep.  Hmmm... 

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From: discussion-request at nsrca.org [mailto:discussion-request at nsrca.org] On
Behalf Of Russell Honea
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 9:35 PM
To: discussion at nsrca.org
Subject: Re: PL Products

Guys,

Here is an e-mail reply that Patrick sent to me today in reply to a question
I posed to him about the closing of PL. 

Hello Mr Russell Honea

Sadden of this problem yes the company(society) pl prod and close but we are
going to honor all the commands(orders) gift(donation) pl prod received a
deposit by a buyer(rescuer) and I would be as engineering manager to
reassure your customers we are going soon to be able to take your order 
Thank you to still take one can of patience sums us in plain reorganization
to worry you not we are going soon to be able to answer has your demand you
can count on us for 2005 with a great novelty which is going to upset world
you can inform about it your forum
Has very soon 

Patrick Lemonnier

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From: Lance Van <mailto:patterndude at comcast.net>  Nostrand 

To: discussion at nsrca.org 

Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 10:41 PM

Subject: Re: PL Products

Patrick is some interesting character.  Thought I was re-reading Les
Miserables for a minute there.

--Lance

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From: Derek <mailto:derekkoopowitz at earthlink.net>  Koopowitz 

To: discussion at nsrca.org 

Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 10:18 PM

Subject: RE: PL Products

Yes - this is true.  I got this message off a French discussion forum...
I've run it through a translator so don't laugh too hard:

DEVELOPED FOR the RAGOTEURS IN ANY KIND "makes of them the four or five
slobbery over-devouts of the forum" because the other members are unaware of
them. With their place I will have shame to have had such remarks to know
that it is only about anonymous letter since the latter not courage to
employ their own name and sign under pseudo. But I make a point of
announcing to them all the same that in the event of deposit of complaint
for slandering, the qualified services would have the possibility of
identifying them without difficulty. For a few weeks, I have followed time
to other the forums model makers which comment on the event and I think that
it is time for me to intervene and to give the things to the point. First of
all PL PROD was not put in bankruptcy but it is of my own initiative that I
filed for bankruptcy, which in France is an act of management and not a
personal bankruptcy. Much among you will understand that it is humanly
difficult to announce this kind of decision by Internet, namely that
moreover it was impossible to to me to do it day when liquidation was marked
with the court since the discontinuance of business was imminent whereas I
hoped to have an agreement of the judge to be able to finish my deliveries
in the course of customers whose installment had been boxed. The reasons of
my decision are not like it was known as in the forum a lack of order quite
to the contrary. But with my problems of health which last since more than
one year, I have no possibility to work like before and I had to engage of
the personnel to face my many orders. Unfortunately, the same problems which
were the cause of the legal rectification in 2000, again arose; employees
not qualified to form, wages and exuberant social contributions compared to
work provided, various prud' man for certain employees who believed any
knowledge... and obviously in France the employer is always wrong, all this
generates enormous court expenses. Like he was said by a member of the
forum, it is true that a great number of SME or SME are only delocalized
abroad and to be to relieve of the social contributions which are much too
heavy in France. Moreover why not consider such a solution for the
future!!!!! I knew well that the vultures would be with the mounting and I
announce to crafty one who think, I quote them: "to be made gold testicles"
and which in their dream reserve parts, or "foreigners with their full
pocket" or those still which think that the company is not worth anything,
and well for some it has a very great value and for all those which would
like to come to make deals, they will may find it beneficial to have very
solid finances because they will have vis-a-vis them somebody which has them
to him and moreover one hard motivation like a "rock". Personally my only
wish currently is to make return a maximum of money at the time of the sale
so that the syndic can deaden the debts to the maximum. As opposed to what
Mr. PALERMO announced following his visit in my residence where is located
the company, the buildings are not emptied, all stock and the machines
remained in place as at the day of the pronunciation of liquidation. And
will remain it under my personal guard without the syndic did not consider
it useful to put at it sealed or to remove the material. What shows a whole
confidence on behalf of the syndic towards me. I also expected to see some
unloading some ones, to see whether there were nothing with grappiller and
indeed I saw some coming some, of which Mr. PALERMO and his son. I quote
them bus me I do not hide like them behind pseudo on the forums to hold to
with it of the defamatory and erroneous remarks. Such as: To say that my
wife supposedly said to him that it refused to return her cheque to him. In
connection with this given cheque on November 6 and to box that on December
1, I consider that there was not of order since it is the payment of the
installment which confirms the latter. However not being able to be taken
into account since the company did not exist any more at the date of
November 25 this one became by this null and void fact. This cheque will be
sent dice tomorrow by the post office in recommended A.R with a letter which
will accompany it I join copy to you. Frankly, what I will have make of a
cheque of 330 € to the order of PL PROD!!!! I am not a swindler, far from
there!!! I also advise to him to consult the statutes of the company, it
will note that my concubine "Simone" does not have any share nor bond in
company PL PROD. It affirms to be badly received, those which know us well,
know our direction of the reception. However well on not having let it
return in the buildings, in order to appease his curiosity and I think after
having read his remarks on this forum, I suspect it of having wanted to be
useful itself in stock since it felt swindled whereas its cheque of
installment was never cashed and that it will be it never. I would like just
to announce to the son of Mr. Palermo that if he wrote under the dictation
of his father, he should learn how to judge by itself of the reality of the
facts and that if he wrote his own initiative which he is still quite young
person and inexperienced to hold such remarks because nobody knows what the
future can hold to him instead of unnecessarily wasting its time in the
forums that he should take of the French courses. I also prevent, all those
which are to adapt the photographs of Clara MORGANE on my site PL PROD
without authorization, that these photographs are the property of Patrick
LEMONNIER personally, that they cost me 8000 € for the day of installation
with authorization of exclusive diffusion on stores where they appeared and
on my site. However with all these, I join the article of the penal code to
you which relates to them: ATTACK A LIFE PRIVEE BY RECORDING AND DIFFUSION
OF The IMAGE Of A PERSON WITHOUT HER ASSENT ARTICLE 226-1 AND 226-2 OF CODE
PENAL. I highly invite them to withdraw these photographs of their site
which I already recorded as proof if I do not have excuses into public on
this forum like that was made to dirty me. If not Clara MORGANE will be made
a pleasure of requiring significant damages of them. Act quickly because I
am not patient kind in this field. In addition my personal businesses look
at me and I never neither was windy myself about it nor hidden and these
last do not have absolutely anything to see with the company PL PROD which
never did not produce or diffused a film in this field. It is not a "SCOOP"
to speak about it! That each one does its housework in front of its door
before dealing with that of the neighbor. PL PROD was always more one
passion that a profitability (I am not enrichiesur the account of the
company quite to the contrary, I invested myself as much physically than
financially) I think of having done what is necessary to advance the world
of the model amongst other things reduces the FÁ and the F3M including the
electric innovation in FÁ. It should be known that to make model reduced for
the high level competition is a very delicate trade, very difficult and
fragile especially if one wants to make "HAUTE COUTURE". My great
satisfaction currently is of knowing that a great number of my models are
copied throughout the whole World and by many international companies.
Whereas a few years ago I took that for an affront, now I am proud. With my
opinion the progression will be much slower if there are no more my models
to copy. Will know that Patrick LEMONNIER did not say his last word, that
one should not sell the skin of the bear before having it to kill and I am
still quite alive and the head full with ideas for the future. I thank the
regulator for this forum which knew after a fashion to make reign the order
about the insults towards Clara MORGANE and I think that that should not
have been easy. I thank, also, those which took my defense on this forum as
those which remained quiet vis-a-vis these commérages thus showing the
contempt that they bring vis-a-vis such remarks and I know that you are
numerous. I think of having been honest and courteous and I find damage to
be obliged to justify itself on a forum in this way there and I hope that in
the future those which will have some things to say to me or to wonder will
do it directly on my personal e-mail patricklemonnier at wanadoo.fr I make all
reserves on the action pursuant which I will take to these slanderings. I
clearly hope to have been. Patrick LEMONNIER

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From: discussion-request at nsrca.org [mailto:discussion-request at nsrca.org] On
Behalf Of Verne Koester
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 8:13 PM
To: NSRCA
Subject: PL Products

I just heard a rumour that PL Products has gone out of business. Anybody
heard anything?

Thanks,

Verne Koester

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