Sequence Poll Results

[George Kennie]

Boy, Earl..........You are sooooo ..RIGHT ON !!!!!  I'll listen to
you anytime!  (well  almost anytime).VBG.
I would have great difficulty understanding anyone contesting this
veign of logic.After all 2 plus 2 have always been......... oh
well,.........
Georgie

Earl Haury wrote:

>    I think this "top class" issue is of little value and, at best,
> semantics. One could argue that, as AMA pattern class 404 is
> Masters and AMA pattern 406 is F3A, F3A is at the top of AMA
> progression. Mark's point that we have as much influence in F3A as
> any other country is not only valid - many of the F3A
> "innovations" have come from USA reps to the FAI CIAM F3A
> Subcommittee. I also assure you that a sequence provided by "us"
> will not only receive as much consideration as any other, but be
> quite welcome. Our pattern community worldwide is small, why on
> earth would we want to be only a subset? BTW - does anyone have a
> feel for the total number of pattern competitors worldwide, I
> suspect that the US may be in the minority. Sure, we should and do
> have preparatory classes. These may become resident classes for
> folks prevented from moving forward by any number of  limiting
> factors, but that's a fact of life - not reason to tailor these
> classes to that end. One of the strongest attractions for model
> aviation is diversity. Likewise, excess diversity is a weakness of
> model aviation. We too quickly "invent" new disciplines to
> accommodate each and every interest with the effect of diluting
> our core groups. If one considers most sports, many folks
> participate at playground, high school, college, and pro levels
> with fewer at each level as the requirements take a toll. But the
> "top" level is clearly recognized and emulated, there may be
> concessions to detail, difficulty, equipment at the early levels -
> but the top level clearly is the goal. I find it sad that some
> consider that the NSRCA should ignore F3A, rather the NSRCA should
> drive the US interests in F3A. The NSRCA was founded by the top
> F3A competitors of the time and there was no expectation that it
> was exclusive of F3A, unfortunately they didn't recognize the need
> to spell that out in the charter. Pattern is our game, anything
> that interests folks in pattern competition is very good,
> discussion of pattern details is good, F3A is the epitome of our
> game, but I find it hard to criticize anything related to the
> enjoyment of pattern. Earl ----- Original Message -----
>
>      From: Bob Pastorello
>      To: discussion at nsrca.org
>      Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2005 11:00 AM
>      Subject: Re: Sequence Poll Results
>       Thanks, Mark and Verne.  Two sides of the core issue.
>      Since I raised the initial question, and Ed/Tony put out
>      the poll....I thought perhaps I'd summarize my
>      rationale.    Masters is THE top class in AMA Pattern.
>      That is what our National Competition is about.  In my
>      thinking, it SHOULD stand as separate, and
>      unique/different in it's skill requirements than FAI.
>      Mark, you wrote that FAI is "the" Top Class.  No, it is
>      the class chosen for the World Championship aerobatic
>      competitions.  Because of that, every country that wants
>      to participate in the WC must have flyers who prepare
>      using the same standards, same sequences, as the other
>      countries.  I think the US provides that, and even CD's
>      include FAI-F3A events in the typical pattern
>      contest. Is there ANYONE out here who honestly believes
>      that the FAI class is not a "professional" class of
>      competition??  Please....look at where the money is
>      spent, the sponsorships "pay", etc.  I am perfectly
>      comfortable being thought of as "Amateur" if I fly AMA
>      pattern....doesn't ruffle my feathers at all.    At the
>      "Professional" level of sports, there are rules that the
>      Amateurs don't have.  Football is a good example. I
>      happen to believe that our Masters' class, as the top of
>      the AMA heap, must represent the best we have in US
>      competition.  IF folks want to compete at the
>      International WORLD level, professional competitions,
>      then I'd bet they will come FROM our Masters class.  And
>      to me, that means that they learn the "new" Professional
>      Sequences/rules that are needed when they make that
>      choice. It's not our job in the AMA Pattern classes to
>      make a person competent at FAI.  It is our
>      responsibility to provide interesting challenge, growth,
>      and INVOLVEMENT opportunities for the majority of the 2%
>      of all modelers who choose pattern in the first place.
>      Let's build maneuvers in sequences that provide the
>      skill base...then let those who are "advanced" enough,
>      learn the rest.  There's plenty of mentors out there for
>      them to feed each other.... Before ya'll go crazy and
>      start typing like mad.....    I am *NOT* saying that we
>      exclude FAI, or discontinue or support of the World
>      team, or any of that stuff.  That's good for the global
>      community.    I am saying that we should look a little
>      closer at why we have the game in the US, and design
>      everything we do around THAT purpose.  Whatever it is
>      deemed to be.
>
>      Bob Pastorello
>      NSRCA 199  AMA 46373
>      rcaerobob at cox.net
>      www.rcaerobats.net
>
>           ----- Original Message -----
>           From: Atwood, Mark
>           To: discussion at nsrca.org
>           Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2005 10:47 AM
>           Subject: RE: Sequence Poll Results
>            Verne,
>
>           Just to be clear...I would not be advocating
>           that particular detail.  My point is the more
>           overriding philosophy that the lower levels
>           exist to prepare for the next level.  And in
>           my mind, FAI is clearly one of those
>           levels...happens to be the top.  To argue that
>           Masters is the top...and that FAI is a
>           different "track" makes no sense to me.  If we
>           were to truly do that...then we'll end up
>           creating lower "FAI" classes...that would
>           compete with the AMA classes.
>
>           Do we currently crown the Masters champ at the
>           Nats as our National Champion??  Are they
>           considered the best flyer at the event?
>
>           Ok...done preaching...lol...sorry.  It just
>           doesn't make sense to me.
>
>           I do agree with you that I like having control
>           of those sequences...and that's an advantage
>           in my mind.  The OLD FAI pattern may not be
>           the best way to train for the next FAI
>           pattern...   The masters pattern of today
>           should be preparing flyers for the P-07 or
>           P-09 of tomorrow...
>
>           ________________________________
>

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