An Overwhelming Weight- A Heavy Issue

[Dean Pappas]

I do believe that once upon a time, it did include fuel, and it was "interpreted" as empty to eliminate an enforcement problem ... is the tank really full, etc.
That somehow got enshrined in the rules, eventually. We have National Champos who were born after that change happened.
Dean

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	From: discussion-request at nsrca.org on behalf of vicenterc at comcast.net 
	Sent: Mon 2/28/2005 6:10 PM 
	To: discussion at nsrca.org; discussion at nsrca.org 
	Cc: Richard Strickland 
	Subject: Re: An Overwhelming Weight- A Heavy Issue
	
	
	 
	Richard,
	 
	It is not only for that single event.  For any international world record using model airplanes the total weight with fuel has to be under 11 pounds.  I got the information at the AMA museum.  The curator at AMA told me "Any model airplane over 11 lbs. won't qualify for any world record event.  In fact, the international definition of model airplane stays that the model has to be under 11 lbs."
	 
	I think you are right.  Probably, it was a mistake when the rules were produced and really should be under 11 pounds including fuel.  Interesting situation.
	 
	Vince  

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		Someone brought up the FAI intercontinental flight recently and it had to be under 11 lbs.with fuel.  How is it FAI Pattern gets off the hook?  I need to go back and study.
		 
		Richard

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			From: BUDDYonRC at aol.com 
			To: discussion at nsrca.org 
			Sent: Monday, February 28, 2005 4:12 PM
			Subject: An Overwhelming Weight- A Heavy Issue

			
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			Since you indicated that it is OK to let your voice be heard, I would like to pose a few questions which have aroused my curiosity while listening to all the very thoughtfully constructed debate on the weight issues.
			1. Since I assume that the positions stated against change are based on FAI rules being the basis for most top designs being produced today how could a change in the AMA weight limit effect the basis of design for FAI, the place where all state of the art designs of today emanate from as they would be lighter than any AMA increased weight limit should one be adopted?
			2. Doesn't the same argument that is being used today against a rule change hold true in reverse should FAI go to a higher weight limit in the future? If FAI weight rules were changed today wouldn't that make the new designs based on that change illegal unless the AMA changed it's rules accordingly?
			That being the case it seems to me that nothing significant will happen in regard to a mass change in design concept that will effect AMA pattern to any great extent if the weight rule is changed to allow a small increase aimed at reducing cost, among other things since most all top AMA pilots today are using designs based on FAI rules.      
			Seems to me that logic gained from the discussion has indicated that an AMA weight change is not the issue the real rub comes about if FAI changes their weight rules, am I the only one or does anyone else see it this way
			Buddy
			 

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