Weight Limit

[steven maxwell]

 Glad to hear there are more out here that think we shouldn't change.
 Steve Maxwell


> [Original Message]
> From: Atwood, Mark <atwoodm at paragon-inc.com>
> To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
> Date: 2/25/2005 8:47:02 PM
> Subject: RE: Weight Limit
>
> Bill... I'm sure Dave will chime in, but in the meantime, I'll take a
> stab.  
>
> I don't think Dave is trying to imply that a slight weight change
> "Costs" more to build.  The added cost is more complicated.  Increasing
> the weight limit will start a whole cycle (as it did when we changed
> displacement rules) of redesigning aircraft.  New designs cost
> money...It's like R&D...and those cost manifest in higher kit costs.
> New designs means new setups.  For the advanced modeler, that means
> buying multiple sets of Props, plugs, fuels, blah blah blah to figure
> out the new "Hot" set-up.  In addition, it makes all of the "back-up"
> supplies we carry obsolete.  All costs MORE money.  
>
> Any idea how many 11x7 3/4 Rev Up props I have in the basement?? Spares
> for when the Supertigers where the hot setup?  How about pairs of
> retracts?? Glow plugs? Or APC 12x12's for my YS 61 long strokes...  Have
> any old Hatori 650 tuned pipes laying around?  Offset headers?  Silicone
> couplers? Can't imagine how much money is in "spare parts" that I never
> used because we changed setup.  
>
> That's for the advanced Pattern geek...   For the newbie, the cost is
> worse because the "used" aircraft market becomes non-existent
> UNLESS...they're willing to fly an outdated airframe...something that
> clearly they don't wish to do or this whole discussion would be moot and
> they'd be flying Prophecy's...
>
> So on one side...the beginner has to spend more because there's very
> little "used" fare on the market...and on the other side...the advanced
> modeler "Eats" even more cost because his old plane no longer has the
> value it had prior to the change.
>
> More money, more money, and more money.
>
> Lastly...it puts some of our cottage manufactures out of business...it's
> too expensive for some of them to change designs weekly.  They can't
> sell enough of one plane to recover the design and molding costs.  That
> one I have personal experience with.
>
> So yes...it's not specifically the weight that will add cost...it's
> simply the CHANGE that will increase cost...across the board.
>
> -Mark
> Well Dave??  How'd I do? :)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: discussion-request at nsrca.org [mailto:discussion-request at nsrca.org]
> On Behalf Of Bill Glaze
> Sent: Friday, February 25, 2005 6:58 PM
> To: NSRCA Discussion
> Subject: Weight Limit
>
> Dave:
> I hold no particular opinion on a weight limit change; at least, not 
> yet.  But, I have rather gained interest in the discussion as a
> bystander.
> So, I am curious.  You seem to equate weight with cost, as if we were 
> buying these airplanes like a Sirloin steak, on a per pound basis.
> Now, I have a couple of 14 pound Extra 300's that are powered by Moki's.
> Both of them (at 80 inch wingspans, similar to pattern size wise) cost 
> less than any of my pattern airplanes, have greater performance, and fly
>
> very well.  I have no doubt that I could have spent more money, but it 
> would not have improved the breed.  I did, of course, build them from 
> kits.  I could have built them heavier, but that, too, would be
> pointless.
> If, and I stress if, all other factors are to remain the same except 
> weight, how can you come up with weight equating to cost?  Particularly 
> now, that Y.S. has upped the ante with their new 1.60?  Which, arguably,
>
> is aimed at the pattern market.
> I perhaps missed the message in this thread that explained your stand.  
> Interested to see it again.
> Thanks
>
> Bill Glaze
>
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