Weight Limit

[Atwood, Mark]

I'm laughing 'cause I was just thinking the same thing about your
post...good timing.

My fear is that it's not being heard.  I watch the QSPRA (1/4 scale
Pylon) rule change themselves out of the hobby years back...the
changes...each on their own merit, were good.  But collectively, the
"Change" made it tooooo expensive to get in, or to stay in.  Only the
true addicts...and the top flyers...those most passionate, could justify
the cost. 

I REEEEEALY don't want to see that happen to Pattern.

-----Original Message-----
From: discussion-request at nsrca.org [mailto:discussion-request at nsrca.org]
On Behalf Of Anthony Romano
Sent: Friday, February 25, 2005 8:50 PM
To: discussion at nsrca.org
Subject: RE: Weight Limit

Nice Mark, you said what I tried with a lot less typing.

Anthony

>From: "Atwood, Mark" <atwoodm at paragon-inc.com>
>Reply-To: discussion at nsrca.org
>To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
>Subject: RE: Weight Limit
>Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 20:49:01 -0500
>
>Bill... I'm sure Dave will chime in, but in the meantime, I'll take a
>stab.
>
>I don't think Dave is trying to imply that a slight weight change
>"Costs" more to build.  The added cost is more complicated.  Increasing
>the weight limit will start a whole cycle (as it did when we changed
>displacement rules) of redesigning aircraft.  New designs cost
>money...It's like R&D...and those cost manifest in higher kit costs.
>New designs means new setups.  For the advanced modeler, that means
>buying multiple sets of Props, plugs, fuels, blah blah blah to figure
>out the new "Hot" set-up.  In addition, it makes all of the "back-up"
>supplies we carry obsolete.  All costs MORE money.
>
>Any idea how many 11x7 3/4 Rev Up props I have in the basement?? Spares
>for when the Supertigers where the hot setup?  How about pairs of
>retracts?? Glow plugs? Or APC 12x12's for my YS 61 long strokes...
Have
>any old Hatori 650 tuned pipes laying around?  Offset headers?
Silicone
>couplers? Can't imagine how much money is in "spare parts" that I never
>used because we changed setup.
>
>That's for the advanced Pattern geek...   For the newbie, the cost is
>worse because the "used" aircraft market becomes non-existent
>UNLESS...they're willing to fly an outdated airframe...something that
>clearly they don't wish to do or this whole discussion would be moot
and
>they'd be flying Prophecy's...
>
>So on one side...the beginner has to spend more because there's very
>little "used" fare on the market...and on the other side...the advanced
>modeler "Eats" even more cost because his old plane no longer has the
>value it had prior to the change.
>
>More money, more money, and more money.
>
>Lastly...it puts some of our cottage manufactures out of
business...it's
>too expensive for some of them to change designs weekly.  They can't
>sell enough of one plane to recover the design and molding costs.  That
>one I have personal experience with.
>
>So yes...it's not specifically the weight that will add cost...it's
>simply the CHANGE that will increase cost...across the board.
>
>-Mark
>Well Dave??  How'd I do? :)
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: discussion-request at nsrca.org
[mailto:discussion-request at nsrca.org]
>On Behalf Of Bill Glaze
>Sent: Friday, February 25, 2005 6:58 PM
>To: NSRCA Discussion
>Subject: Weight Limit
>
>Dave:
>I hold no particular opinion on a weight limit change; at least, not
>yet.  But, I have rather gained interest in the discussion as a
>bystander.
>So, I am curious.  You seem to equate weight with cost, as if we were
>buying these airplanes like a Sirloin steak, on a per pound basis.
>Now, I have a couple of 14 pound Extra 300's that are powered by
Moki's.
>Both of them (at 80 inch wingspans, similar to pattern size wise) cost
>less than any of my pattern airplanes, have greater performance, and
fly
>
>very well.  I have no doubt that I could have spent more money, but it
>would not have improved the breed.  I did, of course, build them from
>kits.  I could have built them heavier, but that, too, would be
>pointless.
>If, and I stress if, all other factors are to remain the same except
>weight, how can you come up with weight equating to cost?  Particularly
>now, that Y.S. has upped the ante with their new 1.60?  Which,
arguably,
>
>is aimed at the pattern market.
>I perhaps missed the message in this thread that explained your stand.
>Interested to see it again.
>Thanks
>
>Bill Glaze
>
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