Pattern DVD was "Re: Rules don't grow sports!"
Wladimir Kummer de Paula
wladimir_kummer at ig.com.br
Wed Feb 9 14:19:03 AKST 2005
I have access to a copy in my work. I could try to index it this weekend
Evan H. Dygert escreveu:
> If someone has a copy of Acrobat and wants to do this and NSRCA can
> provide the files, I volunteer to help get the files indexed. How many
> issues of K-Factor does the NSRCA have in PDF files?
>
> On Wed, 09 Feb 2005 17:12:17 -0500
> "Evan H. Dygert" <evand at dygertconsulting.com> wrote:
>
>> Actually, you can do this now with the K-Factor PDFs. You need to
>> purchase Adobe Acrobat (not just download the reader). Acrobat can
>> index all of the PDFs in a directory and you can then search all the
>> text in all of the K-Factors. The only problem is that it costs $449
>> (less if discounted) for Acrobat Professional. Of course if someone
>> is willing to collect all of the K-Factors, index them and put them
>> on a CD with the indexes, you have a great resource. Disclaimer: I
>> have no relationship with Adobe, but I have used Acrobat to do this.
>>
>> On Wed, 9 Feb 2005 15:57:20 -0500
>> "Grow Pattern" <pattern4u at comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>> I rather like the navigation capabilities of DVD's.
>>>
>>> I first went down this track when trying to figure out how to make a
>>> judge-training DVD. The ability to go to any "video" section at any
>>> time is awesome when you think about training people. Needs some
>>> cash injected into that project to make it fly...
>>>
>>> Promotional DVD's have the advantage of allowing the viewer to
>>> browse and go to what catches their attention.
>>>
>>> I dream of a K-Factor CD that can do this one day....sigh!
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Eric.
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Pritchett"
>>> <phelps15 at comcast.net>
>>> To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 2:18 PM
>>> Subject: [SPAM] Re: Pattern DVD was "Re: Rules don't grow sports!"
>>>
>>>
>>>> Evan:
>>>> Thanks for saying that, but my thought is that a promo DVD is
>>>> something that NSRCA would give away!
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Evan H. Dygert"
>>>> <evand at dygertconsulting.com>
>>>> To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 1:41 PM
>>>> Subject: Pattern DVD was "Re: Rules don't grow sports!"
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I am a beginner and would buy this as soon as it became available.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, 9 Feb 2005 10:23:05 -0500
>>>>> "Bill Pritchett" <phelps15 at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Eric:
>>>>>> Well said! Why don't we put together a DVD that is a
>>>>>> comprehensive look at our sport? This could include everything a
>>>>>> flyer needs to get started, demos of proper geometry, rules
>>>>>> overview, and interviews of our national team...... Demo their
>>>>>> personalities and equipment. How did they get started? Why are
>>>>>> they so into it?? The cost of duplication is so minute that it
>>>>>> seems silly to try and do something on paper/brochure...
>>>>>> I think the big thing is perception - one item that hasn't been
>>>>>> discussed is the amount of money a sport flyer has in their
>>>>>> equipment. I won't be convinced that it's the money - it's the
>>>>>> perception of money in our planes..... This, too, could easily
>>>>>> be addressed by showing a half-dozen ARF's and how to set them up
>>>>>> for pattern and include demo flights on the DVD..... People that
>>>>>> would consider getting into pattern need to see themselves, in
>>>>>> their "minds eye", as being successful. They need to be
>>>>>> introduced to the average pattern participant that doesn't have a
>>>>>> pair of $3k planes and puts over 500 flights up a season.... to
>>>>>> see themselves as successful, it must appear immediately accessible.
>>>>>> Venting complete!
>>>>>> Pritch
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Grow Pattern"
>>>>>> <pattern4u at comcast.net>
>>>>>> To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 10:01 AM
>>>>>> Subject: Rules don't grow sports!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's not the "driving away" that is the problem. It may seem
>>>>>>> that way, but attrition is normal in any sport. The really big
>>>>>>> problem is "attraction".
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I keep a close eye on the ages of the folks joining and the ages
>>>>>>> of the folks leaving. the leaving is pretty normal. The joining
>>>>>>> age group is very sparse in the below 20, and the 20-30 range.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This tree has no soil around its roots.....
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I would submit to you all that what we debate over size, weight
>>>>>>> etc. has very little to do with whether a new person joins or
>>>>>>> not. If you are new, you tend to accept the rules as the
>>>>>>> challenge, and go fly. You have no history so are not that
>>>>>>> concerned. There are much brighter lights gaining your
>>>>>>> attention, not least of which is the thrill of competing.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What is more critical than any rule is the complete lack of
>>>>>>> promotional material, lack of tools for our VP's and members to
>>>>>>> use to promote our sport. You don't even have a handout/brochure
>>>>>>> any more. No video to do a "show and tell" at a club night. No
>>>>>>> formula for growth at all.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Imagine if all of the effort that we put into debating a rule
>>>>>>> was used to put your teeth into something that we could all use
>>>>>>> out there at the WRAM or Toledo show. Imagine flight demo-tapes
>>>>>>> running in continuous loops, Aresti diagrams hanging from the
>>>>>>> walls, THEN wake up to the reality of running the judging tape
>>>>>>> at your booth....
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I know and acknowledge that there are some individual points of
>>>>>>> light out there where great work has been done, but it is not a
>>>>>>> concerted effort or coordinated NSRCA plan, or intent.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It really is time to get the NSRCA galvanized in to some real
>>>>>>> activities for growth.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In publishing we say "Publish or perish!. In a sport it is
>>>>>>> "PROMOTE or PERISH!"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Eric.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Del K. Rykert"
>>>>>>> <drykert2 at rochester.rr.com>
>>>>>>> To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 9:29 AM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: *SPAM* Re: Rules Survey
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Show me the changes in last 20 years that hasn't also turned
>>>>>>>> some away...? One of the reason not as many participate as once
>>>>>>>> did... Leave it alone unless you want to drive more away.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> del
>>>>>>>> nsrca 473
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wayne Galligan"
>>>>>>>> <wgalligan at goodsonacura.com>
>>>>>>>> To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 8:29 AM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: *SPAM* Re: Rules Survey
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Nat,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Your right... look at the last three years at the Nats and
>>>>>>>>> what took top
>>>>>>>>> honors in the masters class.....an ARF that cost less then $600.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> WG
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nat Penton"
>>>>>>>>> <natpenton at centurytel.net>
>>>>>>>>> To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 7:21 PM
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: *SPAM* Re: Rules Survey
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Some of you are over estimating the importance of the
>>>>>>>>>> airplane and
>>>>>>>>>> underestimating the potential of the pilot. Nat
>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Southwell"
>>>>>>>>>> <bnbsouthwell at bellsouth.net>
>>>>>>>>>> To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 8:56 PM
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: *SPAM* Re: Rules Survey
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> > Tom how so? If there are available engines that
>>>>>>>>>> actually hold up but
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> > a bit more porky....but also a lot cheaper to own both
>>>>>>>>>> in intial
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> purchase
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> > and in up keep how can it lead to a more expensive
>>>>>>>>>> airplane. Cost of
>>>>>>>>>> > the
>>>>>>>>>> > present designs are due to the materials and mathods
>>>>>>>>>> of production
>>>>>>>>>> > required tokeep the weight down. A little more room
>>>>>>>>>> would make more
>>>>>>>>>> > pedestrian material like balsa , ply. and foam to come
>>>>>>>>>> back or at
>>>>>>>>>> > least
>>>>>>>>>> > make the average builder have hope.
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> > Tom Shaw wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> >> You guys need to leave well enough alone. With the
>>>>>>>>>> unlimited
>>>>>>>>>> >> engines a
>>>>>>>>>> >> higher weight limit is just going to ecourage larger
>>>>>>>>>> more expenseive
>>>>>>>>>> >> airplanes. That will amount to fewer flyers.
>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>> >> *From:* Gray E Fowler
>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:gfowler at raytheon.com>
>>>>>>>>>> >> *To:* discussion at nsrca.org
>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:discussion at nsrca.org>
>>>>>>>>>> >> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 08, 2005 4:25 PM
>>>>>>>>>> >> *Subject:* RE: *SPAM* Re: Rules Survey
>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>> >> Here comes the dreaded weight debate again....
>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>> >> Consider this-Anyone in the upper level classes
>>>>>>>>>> would not be too
>>>>>>>>>> >> smart to have a plane heavier than it needs to
>>>>>>>>>> be. But, lets
>>>>>>>>>> >> pretend there is a hot new Sportsman named uh
>>>>>>>>>> lets see.....
>>>>>>>>>> >> Chuck.
>>>>>>>>>> >> Chuck tears up 401 after 3 contests, and he is
>>>>>>>>>> flying his best
>>>>>>>>>> >> airplane that most FAI guys would consider a toy
>>>>>>>>>> (and I do not
>>>>>>>>>> >> mean the "foamie toys" pictured in last months
>>>>>>>>>> Model Aviation
>>>>>>>>>> >> being held by a guy named "Chuck") and so
>>>>>>>>>> moving up to
>>>>>>>>>> >> Intermediate halfway thru his first season, last
>>>>>>>>>> 3 contests were
>>>>>>>>>> >> quite a challenge, BUT he places in 402 anyway!
>>>>>>>>>> >> In the off season, he saves his pennies, keeps
>>>>>>>>>> his wife happy
>>>>>>>>>> >> and
>>>>>>>>>> >> gets a used REAL pattern plane, built by someone
>>>>>>>>>> who has a
>>>>>>>>>> >> slight
>>>>>>>>>> >> heavy hand, and alas it weighs 11.5 lbs. Now this
>>>>>>>>>> here Chuck is
>>>>>>>>>> >> good and pumped up and I would place money that
>>>>>>>>>> this theoretical
>>>>>>>>>> >> person could place at the NATS, but his plane is
>>>>>>>>>> over
>>>>>>>>>> >> weight!!!!!
>>>>>>>>>> >> one more !
>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>> >> Sorry Chuck, even though you are flying at a
>>>>>>>>>> disadvantage, we
>>>>>>>>>> >> will
>>>>>>>>>> >> not let you play at the NATS........Oh unless you
>>>>>>>>>> can spend $2k
>>>>>>>>>> >> more on another plane.
>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>> >> The story you have just read is about to be true,
>>>>>>>>>> once we do not
>>>>>>>>>> >> let Chuck fly at this years NATS. But at least
>>>>>>>>>> the French FAI
>>>>>>>>>> >> rule
>>>>>>>>>> >> makers are happy.
>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>> >> Consider a weight change. It does not need to be
>>>>>>>>>> across the
>>>>>>>>>> >> board
>>>>>>>>>> >> and for the life of me I cannot imagine why it
>>>>>>>>>> needs to align
>>>>>>>>>> >> with
>>>>>>>>>> >> FAI. Chuck will have a 5Kg plane *BY THE TIME HE
>>>>>>>>>> REACHES
>>>>>>>>>> >> FAI-*and
>>>>>>>>>> >> the French can be happy then*.*
>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>> >>
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>>>>> Evan H. Dygert
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