[SPAM] Re: [SPAM] Re: Pattern DVD was "Re: Rules don't grow sports!"
Evan H. Dygert
evand at dygertconsulting.com
Wed Feb 9 13:28:24 AKST 2005
I have had the same complaint.
On Wed, 9 Feb 2005 16:29:38 -0600
"Jon Lowe" <jonlowe at aol.com> wrote:
>I'd LOVE to have a CD or DVD with all of the K Factors on
>it. One thing
>I've been disappointed with is that only the current and
>previous 2 K
>Factors are available on the website.
>
>Jon Lowe
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: discussion-request at nsrca.org
>[mailto:discussion-request at nsrca.org] On
>Behalf Of Bill Pritchett
>Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 4:24 PM
>To: discussion at nsrca.org
>Subject: [SPAM] Re: Pattern DVD was "Re: Rules don't grow
>sports!"
>
>
>how cool would it be to hand someone 10 years worth of
>K-Factors???? Maybe
>we could raise the funds to produce the NSRCA Promo
> through the sale
>of digital K-Factors to current members..... I'll buy
>one.
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Evan H. Dygert" <evand at dygertconsulting.com>
>To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
>Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 5:17 PM
>Subject: Re: Pattern DVD was "Re: Rules don't grow
>sports!"
>
>
>> If someone has a copy of Acrobat and wants to do this
>>and NSRCA can
>> provide the files, I volunteer to help get the files
>>indexed. How many
>> issues of K-Factor does the NSRCA have in PDF files?
>>
>> On Wed, 09 Feb 2005 17:12:17 -0500
>> "Evan H. Dygert" <evand at dygertconsulting.com> wrote:
>>>Actually, you can do this now with the K-Factor PDFs. You
>>>need to
>>>purchase
>>>Adobe Acrobat (not just download the reader). Acrobat can
>>>index all of the
>
>>>PDFs in a directory and you can then search all the text
>>>in all of the
>>>K-Factors. The only problem is that it costs $449 (less
>>>if discounted) for
>
>>>Acrobat Professional. Of course if someone is willing to
>>>collect all of
>>>the K-Factors, index them and put them on a CD with the
>>>indexes, you have
>>>a great resource. Disclaimer: I have no relationship with
>>>Adobe, but I
>>>have used Acrobat to do this.
>>>
>>>On Wed, 9 Feb 2005 15:57:20 -0500
>>> "Grow Pattern" <pattern4u at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>I rather like the navigation capabilities of DVD's.
>>>>
>>>>I first went down this track when trying to figure out
>>>>how to make a
>>>>judge-training DVD. The ability to go to any "video"
>>>>section at any time
>>>>is awesome when you think about training people. Needs
>>>>some cash injected
>
>>>>into that project to make it fly...
>>>>
>>>>Promotional DVD's have the advantage of allowing the
>>>>viewer to browse
>>>>and
>>>>go to what catches their attention.
>>>>
>>>>I dream of a K-Factor CD that can do this one
>>>>day....sigh!
>>>>
>>>>Regards,
>>>>
>>>>Eric.
>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Pritchett"
>>>><phelps15 at comcast.net>
>>>>To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
>>>>Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 2:18 PM
>>>>Subject: [SPAM] Re: Pattern DVD was "Re: Rules don't grow
>>>>sports!"
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Evan:
>>>>> Thanks for saying that, but my thought is that a promo
>>>>>DVD is
>>>>> something
>>>>> that NSRCA would give away!
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Evan H. Dygert" <evand at dygertconsulting.com>
>>>>> To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 1:41 PM
>>>>> Subject: Pattern DVD was "Re: Rules don't grow sports!"
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>I am a beginner and would buy this as soon as it became
>>>>>>available.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, 9 Feb 2005 10:23:05 -0500
>>>>>> "Bill Pritchett" <phelps15 at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>Eric:
>>>>>>>Well said! Why don't we put together a DVD that is a
>>>>>>>comprehensive
>>>>>>>look at our sport? This could include everything a flyer
>>>>>>>needs to get
>
>>>>>>>started, demos of proper geometry, rules overview, and
>>>>>>>interviews of
>>>>>>>our national team...... Demo their personalities and
>>>>>>>equipment. How
>>>>>>>did they get started? Why are they so into it?? The
>>>>>>>cost of
>>>>>>>duplication is so minute that it seems silly to try and
>>>>>>>do something
>>>>>>>on paper/brochure...
>>>>>>>I think the big thing is perception - one item that
>>>>>>>hasn't been
>>>>>>>discussed is the amount of money a sport flyer has in
>>>>>>>their equipment.
>
>>>>>>>I won't be convinced that it's the money - it's the
>>>>>>>perception of
>>>>>>>money in our planes..... This, too, could easily be
>>>>>>>addressed by
>>>>>>>showing a half-dozen ARF's and how to set them up for
>>>>>>>pattern and
>>>>>>>include demo flights on the DVD..... People that would
>>>>>>>consider
>>>>>>>getting into pattern need to see themselves, in their
>>>>>>>"minds eye", as
>>>>>>>being successful. They need to be introduced to the
>>>>>>>average pattern
>>>>>>>participant that doesn't have a pair of $3k planes and
>>>>>>>puts over 500
>>>>>>>flights up a season.... to see themselves as successful,
>>>>>>>it must
>>>>>>>appear immediately accessible.
>>>>>>>Venting complete!
>>>>>>>Pritch
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Grow Pattern"
>>>>>>><pattern4u at comcast.net>
>>>>>>>To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
>>>>>>>Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 10:01 AM
>>>>>>>Subject: Rules don't grow sports!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It's not the "driving away" that is the problem. It may
>>>>>>>>seem
>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>> way, but attrition is normal in any sport. The really
>>>>>>>>big problem is
>
>>>>>>>> "attraction".
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I keep a close eye on the ages of the folks joining and
>>>>>>>>the ages
>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>> the folks leaving. the leaving is pretty normal. The
>>>>>>>>joining age
>>>>>>>> group is very sparse in the below 20, and the 20-30
>>>>>>>>range.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This tree has no soil around its roots.....
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I would submit to you all that what we debate over size,
>>>>>>>>weight
>>>>>>>> etc.
>>>>>>>> has very little to do with whether a new person joins or
>>>>>>>>not. If you
>
>>>>>>>> are new, you tend to accept the rules as the challenge,
>>>>>>>>and go fly.
>>>>>>>> You have no history so are not that concerned. There are
>>>>>>>>much
>>>>>>>> brighter lights gaining your attention, not least of
>>>>>>>>which is the
>>>>>>>> thrill of competing.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What is more critical than any rule is the complete lack
>>>>>>>>of
>>>>>>>> promotional material, lack of tools for our VP's and
>>>>>>>>members to use
>>>>>>>> to promote our sport. You don't even have a
>>>>>>>>handout/brochure any
>>>>>>>> more. No video to do a "show and tell" at a club night.
>>>>>>>>No formula
>>>>>>>> for growth at all.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Imagine if all of the effort that we put into debating a
>>>>>>>>rule
>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>> used to put your teeth into something that we could all
>>>>>>>>use out
>>>>>>>> there at the WRAM or Toledo show. Imagine flight
>>>>>>>>demo-tapes running
>>>>>>>> in continuous loops, Aresti diagrams hanging from the
>>>>>>>>walls, THEN
>>>>>>>> wake up to the reality of running the judging tape at
>>>>>>>>your booth....
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I know and acknowledge that there are some individual
>>>>>>>>points of
>>>>>>>> light out there where great work has been done, but it
>>>>>>>>is not a
>>>>>>>> concerted effort or coordinated NSRCA plan, or intent.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It really is time to get the NSRCA galvanized in to some
>>>>>>>>real
>>>>>>>> activities for growth.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In publishing we say "Publish or perish!. In a sport it
>>>>>>>>is
>>>>>>>> "PROMOTE
>>>>>>>> or PERISH!"
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Eric.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>> From: "Del K. Rykert" <drykert2 at rochester.rr.com>
>>>>>>>> To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 9:29 AM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: *SPAM* Re: Rules Survey
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Show me the changes in last 20 years that hasn't also
>>>>>>>>>turned
>>>>>>>>> some
>>>>>>>>> away...? One of the reason not as many participate as
>>>>>>>>>once did...
>>>>>>>>> Leave it alone unless you want to drive more away.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> del
>>>>>>>>> nsrca 473
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>> From: "Wayne Galligan" <wgalligan at goodsonacura.com>
>>>>>>>>> To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 8:29 AM
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: *SPAM* Re: Rules Survey
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Nat,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Your right... look at the last three years at the Nats
>>>>>>>>>>and
>>>>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>>>>> took top
>>>>>>>>>> honors in the masters class.....an ARF that cost less
>>>>>>>>>>then $600.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> WG
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>> From: "Nat Penton" <natpenton at centurytel.net>
>>>>>>>>>> To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 7:21 PM
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: *SPAM* Re: Rules Survey
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Some of you are over estimating the importance of the
>>>>>>>>>>> airplane
>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>> underestimating the potential of the pilot. Nat
>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Bill Southwell" <bnbsouthwell at bellsouth.net>
>>>>>>>>>>> To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 8:56 PM
>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: *SPAM* Re: Rules Survey
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> > Tom how so? If there are available engines that
>>>>>>>>>>>actually hold up but
>>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>>>> > a bit more porky....but also a lot cheaper to own both
>>>>>>>>>>>in intial
>>>>>>>>>> purchase
>>>>>>>>>>> > and in up keep how can it lead to a more expensive
>>>>>>>>>>>airplane. Cost of
>>>>>>>>>>> > the
>>>>>>>>>>> > present designs are due to the materials and mathods
>>>>>>>>>>>of production
>>>>>>>>>>> > required tokeep the weight down. A little more room
>>>>>>>>>>>would make more
>>>>>>>>>>> > pedestrian material like balsa , ply. and foam to come
>>>>>>>>>>>back or at
>>>>>>>>>>> > least
>>>>>>>>>>> > make the average builder have hope.
>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> > Tom Shaw wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >> You guys need to leave well enough alone. With the
>>>>>>>>>>>unlimited
>>>>>>>>>>> >> engines a
>>>>>>>>>>> >> higher weight limit is just going to ecourage larger
>>>>>>>>>>>more expenseive
>>>>>>>>>>> >> airplanes. That will amount to fewer flyers.
>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>> >> *From:* Gray E Fowler
>>>>>>>>>>><mailto:gfowler at raytheon.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> >> *To:* discussion at nsrca.org
>>>>>>>>>>><mailto:discussion at nsrca.org>
>>>>>>>>>>> >> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 08, 2005 4:25 PM
>>>>>>>>>>> >> *Subject:* RE: *SPAM* Re: Rules Survey
>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>> >> Here comes the dreaded weight debate again....
>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>> >> Consider this-Anyone in the upper level classes
>>>>>>>>>>>would not be too
>>>>>>>>>>> >> smart to have a plane heavier than it needs to
>>>>>>>>>>>be. But, lets
>>>>>>>>>>> >> pretend there is a hot new Sportsman named uh
>>>>>>>>>>>lets see.....
>>>>>>>>>>> >> Chuck.
>>>>>>>>>>> >> Chuck tears up 401 after 3 contests, and he is
>>>>>>>>>>>flying his best
>>>>>>>>>>> >> airplane that most FAI guys would consider a toy
>>>>>>>>>>>(and I do not
>>>>>>>>>>> >> mean the "foamie toys" pictured in last months
>>>>>>>>>>>Model Aviation
>>>>>>>>>>> >> being held by a guy named "Chuck") and so
>>>>>>>>>>>moving up to
>>>>>>>>>>> >> Intermediate halfway thru his first season, last
>>>>>>>>>>>3 contests were
>>>>>>>>>>> >> quite a challenge, BUT he places in 402 anyway!
>>>>>>>>>>> >> In the off season, he saves his pennies, keeps
>>>>>>>>>>>his wife happy
>>>>>>>>>>> >> and
>>>>>>>>>>> >> gets a used REAL pattern plane, built by someone
>>>>>>>>>>>who has a
>>>>>>>>>>> >> slight
>>>>>>>>>>> >> heavy hand, and alas it weighs 11.5 lbs. Now this
>>>>>>>>>>>here Chuck is
>>>>>>>>>>> >> good and pumped up and I would place money that
>>>>>>>>>>>this theoretical
>>>>>>>>>>> >> person could place at the NATS, but his plane is
>>>>>>>>>>>over
>>>>>>>>>>> >> weight!!!!!
>>>>>>>>>>> >> one more !
>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>> >> Sorry Chuck, even though you are flying at a
>>>>>>>>>>>disadvantage, we
>>>>>>>>>>> >> will
>>>>>>>>>>> >> not let you play at the NATS........Oh unless you
>>>>>>>>>>>can spend $2k
>>>>>>>>>>> >> more on another plane.
>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>> >> The story you have just read is about to be true,
>>>>>>>>>>>once we do not
>>>>>>>>>>> >> let Chuck fly at this years NATS. But at least
>>>>>>>>>>>the French FAI
>>>>>>>>>>> >> rule
>>>>>>>>>>> >> makers are happy.
>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>> >> Consider a weight change. It does not need to be
>>>>>>>>>>>across the
>>>>>>>>>>> >> board
>>>>>>>>>>> >> and for the life of me I cannot imagine why it
>>>>>>>>>>>needs to align
>>>>>>>>>>> >> with
>>>>>>>>>>> >> FAI. Chuck will have a 5Kg plane *BY THE TIME HE
>>>>>>>>>>>REACHES
>>>>>>>>>>> >> FAI-*and
>>>>>>>>>>> >> the French can be happy then*.*
>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>
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>>>>>> Evan H. Dygert
>>>>>> Dygert Consulting, Inc.
>>>>>> 364 Twelve Oaks Dr.
>>>>>> Winter Springs, FL 32708
>>>>>> Tel: 407-739-8194
>>>>>> Email: evand at dygertconsulting.com
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