[SPAM] Re: Pattern DVD was "Re: Rules don't grow sports!"
Bill Pritchett
phelps15 at comcast.net
Wed Feb 9 13:24:12 AKST 2005
how cool would it be to hand someone 10 years worth of K-Factors????
Maybe we could raise the funds to produce the NSRCA Promo through the sale
of digital K-Factors to current members..... I'll buy one.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Evan H. Dygert" <evand at dygertconsulting.com>
To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 5:17 PM
Subject: Re: Pattern DVD was "Re: Rules don't grow sports!"
> If someone has a copy of Acrobat and wants to do this and NSRCA can
> provide the files, I volunteer to help get the files indexed. How many
> issues of K-Factor does the NSRCA have in PDF files?
>
> On Wed, 09 Feb 2005 17:12:17 -0500
> "Evan H. Dygert" <evand at dygertconsulting.com> wrote:
>>Actually, you can do this now with the K-Factor PDFs. You need to purchase
>>Adobe Acrobat (not just download the reader). Acrobat can index all of the
>>PDFs in a directory and you can then search all the text in all of the
>>K-Factors. The only problem is that it costs $449 (less if discounted) for
>>Acrobat Professional. Of course if someone is willing to collect all of
>>the K-Factors, index them and put them on a CD with the indexes, you have
>>a great resource. Disclaimer: I have no relationship with Adobe, but I
>>have used Acrobat to do this.
>>
>>On Wed, 9 Feb 2005 15:57:20 -0500
>> "Grow Pattern" <pattern4u at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>I rather like the navigation capabilities of DVD's.
>>>
>>>I first went down this track when trying to figure out how to make a
>>>judge-training DVD. The ability to go to any "video" section at any time
>>>is awesome when you think about training people. Needs some cash injected
>>>into that project to make it fly...
>>>
>>>Promotional DVD's have the advantage of allowing the viewer to browse and
>>>go to what catches their attention.
>>>
>>>I dream of a K-Factor CD that can do this one day....sigh!
>>>
>>>Regards,
>>>
>>>Eric.
>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Pritchett"
>>><phelps15 at comcast.net>
>>>To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
>>>Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 2:18 PM
>>>Subject: [SPAM] Re: Pattern DVD was "Re: Rules don't grow sports!"
>>>
>>>
>>>> Evan:
>>>> Thanks for saying that, but my thought is that a promo DVD is something
>>>> that NSRCA would give away!
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Evan H. Dygert" <evand at dygertconsulting.com>
>>>> To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 1:41 PM
>>>> Subject: Pattern DVD was "Re: Rules don't grow sports!"
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>I am a beginner and would buy this as soon as it became available.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, 9 Feb 2005 10:23:05 -0500
>>>>> "Bill Pritchett" <phelps15 at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>>Eric:
>>>>>>Well said! Why don't we put together a DVD that is a comprehensive
>>>>>>look at our sport? This could include everything a flyer needs to get
>>>>>>started, demos of proper geometry, rules overview, and interviews of
>>>>>>our national team...... Demo their personalities and equipment. How
>>>>>>did they get started? Why are they so into it?? The cost of
>>>>>>duplication is so minute that it seems silly to try and do something
>>>>>>on paper/brochure...
>>>>>>I think the big thing is perception - one item that hasn't been
>>>>>>discussed is the amount of money a sport flyer has in their equipment.
>>>>>>I won't be convinced that it's the money - it's the perception of
>>>>>>money in our planes..... This, too, could easily be addressed by
>>>>>>showing a half-dozen ARF's and how to set them up for pattern and
>>>>>>include demo flights on the DVD..... People that would consider
>>>>>>getting into pattern need to see themselves, in their "minds eye", as
>>>>>>being successful. They need to be introduced to the average pattern
>>>>>>participant that doesn't have a pair of $3k planes and puts over 500
>>>>>>flights up a season.... to see themselves as successful, it must
>>>>>>appear immediately accessible.
>>>>>>Venting complete!
>>>>>>Pritch
>>>>>>
>>>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Grow Pattern"
>>>>>><pattern4u at comcast.net>
>>>>>>To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
>>>>>>Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 10:01 AM
>>>>>>Subject: Rules don't grow sports!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's not the "driving away" that is the problem. It may seem that
>>>>>>> way, but attrition is normal in any sport. The really big problem is
>>>>>>> "attraction".
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I keep a close eye on the ages of the folks joining and the ages of
>>>>>>> the folks leaving. the leaving is pretty normal. The joining age
>>>>>>> group is very sparse in the below 20, and the 20-30 range.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This tree has no soil around its roots.....
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I would submit to you all that what we debate over size, weight etc.
>>>>>>> has very little to do with whether a new person joins or not. If you
>>>>>>> are new, you tend to accept the rules as the challenge, and go fly.
>>>>>>> You have no history so are not that concerned. There are much
>>>>>>> brighter lights gaining your attention, not least of which is the
>>>>>>> thrill of competing.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What is more critical than any rule is the complete lack of
>>>>>>> promotional material, lack of tools for our VP's and members to use
>>>>>>> to promote our sport. You don't even have a handout/brochure any
>>>>>>> more. No video to do a "show and tell" at a club night. No formula
>>>>>>> for growth at all.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Imagine if all of the effort that we put into debating a rule was
>>>>>>> used to put your teeth into something that we could all use out
>>>>>>> there at the WRAM or Toledo show. Imagine flight demo-tapes running
>>>>>>> in continuous loops, Aresti diagrams hanging from the walls, THEN
>>>>>>> wake up to the reality of running the judging tape at your booth....
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I know and acknowledge that there are some individual points of
>>>>>>> light out there where great work has been done, but it is not a
>>>>>>> concerted effort or coordinated NSRCA plan, or intent.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It really is time to get the NSRCA galvanized in to some real
>>>>>>> activities for growth.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In publishing we say "Publish or perish!. In a sport it is "PROMOTE
>>>>>>> or PERISH!"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Eric.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> From: "Del K. Rykert" <drykert2 at rochester.rr.com>
>>>>>>> To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 9:29 AM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: *SPAM* Re: Rules Survey
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Show me the changes in last 20 years that hasn't also turned some
>>>>>>>> away...? One of the reason not as many participate as once did...
>>>>>>>> Leave it alone unless you want to drive more away.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> del
>>>>>>>> nsrca 473
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>> From: "Wayne Galligan" <wgalligan at goodsonacura.com>
>>>>>>>> To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 8:29 AM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: *SPAM* Re: Rules Survey
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Nat,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Your right... look at the last three years at the Nats and what
>>>>>>>>> took top
>>>>>>>>> honors in the masters class.....an ARF that cost less then $600.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> WG
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>> From: "Nat Penton" <natpenton at centurytel.net>
>>>>>>>>> To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 7:21 PM
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: *SPAM* Re: Rules Survey
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Some of you are over estimating the importance of the airplane
>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>> underestimating the potential of the pilot. Nat
>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>> From: "Bill Southwell" <bnbsouthwell at bellsouth.net>
>>>>>>>>>> To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 8:56 PM
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: *SPAM* Re: Rules Survey
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> > Tom how so? If there are available engines that
>>>>>>>>>>actually hold up but
>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>>> > a bit more porky....but also a lot cheaper to own both
>>>>>>>>>>in intial
>>>>>>>>> purchase
>>>>>>>>>> > and in up keep how can it lead to a more expensive
>>>>>>>>>>airplane. Cost of
>>>>>>>>>> > the
>>>>>>>>>> > present designs are due to the materials and mathods
>>>>>>>>>>of production
>>>>>>>>>> > required tokeep the weight down. A little more room
>>>>>>>>>>would make more
>>>>>>>>>> > pedestrian material like balsa , ply. and foam to come
>>>>>>>>>>back or at
>>>>>>>>>> > least
>>>>>>>>>> > make the average builder have hope.
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> > Tom Shaw wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> >> You guys need to leave well enough alone. With the
>>>>>>>>>>unlimited
>>>>>>>>>> >> engines a
>>>>>>>>>> >> higher weight limit is just going to ecourage larger
>>>>>>>>>>more expenseive
>>>>>>>>>> >> airplanes. That will amount to fewer flyers.
>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>> >> *From:* Gray E Fowler
>>>>>>>>>><mailto:gfowler at raytheon.com>
>>>>>>>>>> >> *To:* discussion at nsrca.org
>>>>>>>>>><mailto:discussion at nsrca.org>
>>>>>>>>>> >> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 08, 2005 4:25 PM
>>>>>>>>>> >> *Subject:* RE: *SPAM* Re: Rules Survey
>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>> >> Here comes the dreaded weight debate again....
>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>> >> Consider this-Anyone in the upper level classes
>>>>>>>>>>would not be too
>>>>>>>>>> >> smart to have a plane heavier than it needs to
>>>>>>>>>>be. But, lets
>>>>>>>>>> >> pretend there is a hot new Sportsman named uh
>>>>>>>>>>lets see.....
>>>>>>>>>> >> Chuck.
>>>>>>>>>> >> Chuck tears up 401 after 3 contests, and he is
>>>>>>>>>>flying his best
>>>>>>>>>> >> airplane that most FAI guys would consider a toy
>>>>>>>>>>(and I do not
>>>>>>>>>> >> mean the "foamie toys" pictured in last months
>>>>>>>>>>Model Aviation
>>>>>>>>>> >> being held by a guy named "Chuck") and so
>>>>>>>>>>moving up to
>>>>>>>>>> >> Intermediate halfway thru his first season, last
>>>>>>>>>>3 contests were
>>>>>>>>>> >> quite a challenge, BUT he places in 402 anyway!
>>>>>>>>>> >> In the off season, he saves his pennies, keeps
>>>>>>>>>>his wife happy
>>>>>>>>>> >> and
>>>>>>>>>> >> gets a used REAL pattern plane, built by someone
>>>>>>>>>>who has a
>>>>>>>>>> >> slight
>>>>>>>>>> >> heavy hand, and alas it weighs 11.5 lbs. Now this
>>>>>>>>>>here Chuck is
>>>>>>>>>> >> good and pumped up and I would place money that
>>>>>>>>>>this theoretical
>>>>>>>>>> >> person could place at the NATS, but his plane is
>>>>>>>>>>over
>>>>>>>>>> >> weight!!!!!
>>>>>>>>>> >> one more !
>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>> >> Sorry Chuck, even though you are flying at a
>>>>>>>>>>disadvantage, we
>>>>>>>>>> >> will
>>>>>>>>>> >> not let you play at the NATS........Oh unless you
>>>>>>>>>>can spend $2k
>>>>>>>>>> >> more on another plane.
>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>> >> The story you have just read is about to be true,
>>>>>>>>>>once we do not
>>>>>>>>>> >> let Chuck fly at this years NATS. But at least
>>>>>>>>>>the French FAI
>>>>>>>>>> >> rule
>>>>>>>>>> >> makers are happy.
>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>> >> Consider a weight change. It does not need to be
>>>>>>>>>>across the
>>>>>>>>>> >> board
>>>>>>>>>> >> and for the life of me I cannot imagine why it
>>>>>>>>>>needs to align
>>>>>>>>>> >> with
>>>>>>>>>> >> FAI. Chuck will have a 5Kg plane *BY THE TIME HE
>>>>>>>>>>REACHES
>>>>>>>>>> >> FAI-*and
>>>>>>>>>> >> the French can be happy then*.*
>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>> >>
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>>>>> Evan H. Dygert
>>>>> Dygert Consulting, Inc.
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>>>>> Email: evand at dygertconsulting.com
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