[SPAM] Re: Pattern DVD was "Re: Rules don't grow sports!"
Evan H. Dygert
evand at dygertconsulting.com
Wed Feb 9 13:12:41 AKST 2005
Actually, you can do this now with the K-Factor PDFs. You
need to purchase Adobe Acrobat (not just download the
reader). Acrobat can index all of the PDFs in a directory
and you can then search all the text in all of the
K-Factors. The only problem is that it costs $449 (less if
discounted) for Acrobat Professional. Of course if someone
is willing to collect all of the K-Factors, index them and
put them on a CD with the indexes, you have a great
resource. Disclaimer: I have no relationship with Adobe,
but I have used Acrobat to do this.
On Wed, 9 Feb 2005 15:57:20 -0500
"Grow Pattern" <pattern4u at comcast.net> wrote:
>I rather like the navigation capabilities of DVD's.
>
>I first went down this track when trying to figure out
>how to make a judge-training DVD. The ability to go to
>any "video" section at any time is awesome when you think
>about training people. Needs some cash injected into that
>project to make it fly...
>
>Promotional DVD's have the advantage of allowing the
>viewer to browse and go to what catches their attention.
>
>I dream of a K-Factor CD that can do this one
>day....sigh!
>
>Regards,
>
>Eric.
>----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Pritchett"
><phelps15 at comcast.net>
>To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
>Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 2:18 PM
>Subject: [SPAM] Re: Pattern DVD was "Re: Rules don't grow
>sports!"
>
>
>> Evan:
>> Thanks for saying that, but my thought is that a promo
>>DVD is something
>> that NSRCA would give away!
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Evan H. Dygert" <evand at dygertconsulting.com>
>> To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 1:41 PM
>> Subject: Pattern DVD was "Re: Rules don't grow sports!"
>>
>>
>>>I am a beginner and would buy this as soon as it became
>>>available.
>>>
>>> On Wed, 9 Feb 2005 10:23:05 -0500
>>> "Bill Pritchett" <phelps15 at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>Eric:
>>>>Well said! Why don't we put together a DVD that is a
>>>>comprehensive look at our sport? This could include
>>>>everything a flyer needs to get started, demos of proper
>>>>geometry, rules overview, and interviews of our national
>>>>team...... Demo their personalities and equipment. How
>>>>did they get started? Why are they so into it?? The
>>>>cost of duplication is so minute that it seems silly to
>>>>try and do something on paper/brochure...
>>>>I think the big thing is perception - one item that
>>>>hasn't been discussed is the amount of money a sport
>>>>flyer has in their equipment. I won't be convinced that
>>>>it's the money - it's the perception of money in our
>>>>planes..... This, too, could easily be addressed by
>>>>showing a half-dozen ARF's and how to set them up for
>>>>pattern and include demo flights on the DVD..... People
>>>>that would consider getting into pattern need to see
>>>>themselves, in their "minds eye", as being successful.
>>>>They need to be introduced to the average pattern
>>>>participant that doesn't have a pair of $3k planes and
>>>>puts over 500 flights up a season.... to see themselves
>>>>as successful, it must appear immediately accessible.
>>>>Venting complete!
>>>>Pritch
>>>>
>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Grow Pattern"
>>>><pattern4u at comcast.net>
>>>>To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
>>>>Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 10:01 AM
>>>>Subject: Rules don't grow sports!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> It's not the "driving away" that is the problem. It may
>>>>>seem that way,
>>>>> but attrition is normal in any sport. The really big
>>>>>problem is
>>>>> "attraction".
>>>>>
>>>>> I keep a close eye on the ages of the folks joining and
>>>>>the ages of the
>>>>> folks leaving. the leaving is pretty normal. The joining
>>>>>age group is
>>>>> very sparse in the below 20, and the 20-30 range.
>>>>>
>>>>> This tree has no soil around its roots.....
>>>>>
>>>>> I would submit to you all that what we debate over size,
>>>>>weight etc.
>>>>> has very little to do with whether a new person joins or
>>>>>not. If you
>>>>> are new, you tend to accept the rules as the challenge,
>>>>>and go fly. You
>>>>> have no history so are not that concerned. There are
>>>>>much brighter
>>>>> lights gaining your attention, not least of which is the
>>>>>thrill of
>>>>> competing.
>>>>>
>>>>> What is more critical than any rule is the complete lack
>>>>>of promotional
>>>>> material, lack of tools for our VP's and members to use
>>>>>to promote our
>>>>> sport. You don't even have a handout/brochure any more.
>>>>>No video to do
>>>>> a "show and tell" at a club night. No formula for growth
>>>>>at all.
>>>>>
>>>>> Imagine if all of the effort that we put into debating a
>>>>>rule was used
>>>>> to put your teeth into something that we could all use
>>>>>out there at the
>>>>> WRAM or Toledo show. Imagine flight demo-tapes running
>>>>>in continuous
>>>>> loops, Aresti diagrams hanging from the walls, THEN wake
>>>>>up to the
>>>>> reality of running the judging tape at your booth....
>>>>>
>>>>> I know and acknowledge that there are some individual
>>>>>points of light
>>>>> out there where great work has been done, but it is not
>>>>>a concerted
>>>>> effort or coordinated NSRCA plan, or intent.
>>>>>
>>>>> It really is time to get the NSRCA galvanized in to some
>>>>>real
>>>>> activities for growth.
>>>>>
>>>>> In publishing we say "Publish or perish!. In a sport it
>>>>>is "PROMOTE or
>>>>> PERISH!"
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> Eric.
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Del K. Rykert" <drykert2 at rochester.rr.com>
>>>>> To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 9:29 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: *SPAM* Re: Rules Survey
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Show me the changes in last 20 years that hasn't also
>>>>>>turned some
>>>>>> away...? One of the reason not as many participate as
>>>>>>once did...
>>>>>> Leave it alone unless you want to drive more away.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> del
>>>>>> nsrca 473
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "Wayne Galligan" <wgalligan at goodsonacura.com>
>>>>>> To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 8:29 AM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: *SPAM* Re: Rules Survey
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Nat,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Your right... look at the last three years at the Nats
>>>>>>>and what took
>>>>>>> top
>>>>>>> honors in the masters class.....an ARF that cost less
>>>>>>>then $600.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> WG
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> From: "Nat Penton" <natpenton at centurytel.net>
>>>>>>> To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 7:21 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: *SPAM* Re: Rules Survey
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Some of you are over estimating the importance of the
>>>>>>>>airplane and
>>>>>>>> underestimating the potential of the pilot. Nat
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>> From: "Bill Southwell" <bnbsouthwell at bellsouth.net>
>>>>>>>> To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 8:56 PM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: *SPAM* Re: Rules Survey
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> > Tom how so? If there are available engines that
>>>>>>>>actually hold up but
>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>> > a bit more porky....but also a lot cheaper to own both
>>>>>>>>in intial
>>>>>>> purchase
>>>>>>>> > and in up keep how can it lead to a more expensive
>>>>>>>>airplane. Cost of
>>>>>>>> > the
>>>>>>>> > present designs are due to the materials and mathods
>>>>>>>>of production
>>>>>>>> > required tokeep the weight down. A little more room
>>>>>>>>would make more
>>>>>>>> > pedestrian material like balsa , ply. and foam to come
>>>>>>>>back or at
>>>>>>>> > least
>>>>>>>> > make the average builder have hope.
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> > Tom Shaw wrote:
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >> You guys need to leave well enough alone. With the
>>>>>>>>unlimited
>>>>>>>> >> engines a
>>>>>>>> >> higher weight limit is just going to ecourage larger
>>>>>>>>more expenseive
>>>>>>>> >> airplanes. That will amount to fewer flyers.
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>> >> *From:* Gray E Fowler
>>>>>>>><mailto:gfowler at raytheon.com>
>>>>>>>> >> *To:* discussion at nsrca.org
>>>>>>>><mailto:discussion at nsrca.org>
>>>>>>>> >> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 08, 2005 4:25 PM
>>>>>>>> >> *Subject:* RE: *SPAM* Re: Rules Survey
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >> Here comes the dreaded weight debate again....
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >> Consider this-Anyone in the upper level classes
>>>>>>>>would not be too
>>>>>>>> >> smart to have a plane heavier than it needs to
>>>>>>>>be. But, lets
>>>>>>>> >> pretend there is a hot new Sportsman named uh
>>>>>>>>lets see.....
>>>>>>>> >> Chuck.
>>>>>>>> >> Chuck tears up 401 after 3 contests, and he is
>>>>>>>>flying his best
>>>>>>>> >> airplane that most FAI guys would consider a toy
>>>>>>>>(and I do not
>>>>>>>> >> mean the "foamie toys" pictured in last months
>>>>>>>>Model Aviation
>>>>>>>> >> being held by a guy named "Chuck") and so
>>>>>>>>moving up to
>>>>>>>> >> Intermediate halfway thru his first season, last
>>>>>>>>3 contests were
>>>>>>>> >> quite a challenge, BUT he places in 402 anyway!
>>>>>>>> >> In the off season, he saves his pennies, keeps
>>>>>>>>his wife happy
>>>>>>>> >> and
>>>>>>>> >> gets a used REAL pattern plane, built by someone
>>>>>>>>who has a
>>>>>>>> >> slight
>>>>>>>> >> heavy hand, and alas it weighs 11.5 lbs. Now this
>>>>>>>>here Chuck is
>>>>>>>> >> good and pumped up and I would place money that
>>>>>>>>this theoretical
>>>>>>>> >> person could place at the NATS, but his plane is
>>>>>>>>over
>>>>>>>> >> weight!!!!!
>>>>>>>> >> one more !
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >> Sorry Chuck, even though you are flying at a
>>>>>>>>disadvantage, we
>>>>>>>> >> will
>>>>>>>> >> not let you play at the NATS........Oh unless you
>>>>>>>>can spend $2k
>>>>>>>> >> more on another plane.
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >> The story you have just read is about to be true,
>>>>>>>>once we do not
>>>>>>>> >> let Chuck fly at this years NATS. But at least
>>>>>>>>the French FAI
>>>>>>>> >> rule
>>>>>>>> >> makers are happy.
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >> Consider a weight change. It does not need to be
>>>>>>>>across the
>>>>>>>> >> board
>>>>>>>> >> and for the life of me I cannot imagine why it
>>>>>>>>needs to align
>>>>>>>> >> with
>>>>>>>> >> FAI. Chuck will have a 5Kg plane *BY THE TIME HE
>>>>>>>>REACHES
>>>>>>>> >> FAI-*and
>>>>>>>> >> the French can be happy then*.*
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >>
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