Rules don't grow sports!

tph1 at bellsouth.net tph1 at bellsouth.net
Wed Feb 9 06:23:25 AKST 2005 

> VERY well said Eric. Harrumph!

> From: "Grow Pattern" <pattern4u at comcast.net>
> Date: 2005/02/09 Wed AM 10:01:52 EST
> To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
> Subject: Rules don't grow sports!
> 
> It's not the "driving away" that is the problem. It may seem that way, but 
> attrition is normal in any sport. The really big problem is "attraction".
> 
> I keep a close eye on the ages of the folks joining and the ages of the 
> folks leaving. the leaving is pretty normal. The joining age group is very 
> sparse in the below 20, and the 20-30 range.
> 
> This tree has no soil around its roots.....
> 
> I would submit to you all that what we debate over size, weight etc. has 
> very little to do with whether a new person joins or not. If you are new, 
> you tend to accept the rules as the challenge, and go fly. You have no 
> history so are not that concerned. There are much brighter lights gaining 
> your attention, not least of which is the thrill of competing.
> 
> What is more critical than any rule is the complete lack of promotional 
> material, lack of tools for our VP's and members to use to promote our 
> sport. You don't even have a handout/brochure any more. No video to do a 
> "show and tell" at a club night. No formula for growth at all.
> 
> Imagine if all of the effort that we put into debating a rule was used to 
> put your teeth into something that we could all use out there at the WRAM or 
> Toledo show. Imagine flight demo-tapes running in continuous loops, Aresti 
> diagrams hanging from the walls, THEN wake up to the reality of running the 
> judging tape at your booth....
> 
> I know and acknowledge that there are some individual points of light out 
> there where great work has been done, but it is not a concerted effort or 
> coordinated NSRCA plan, or intent.
> 
> It really is time to get the NSRCA galvanized in to some real activities for 
> growth.
> 
> In publishing we say "Publish or perish!. In a sport it is "PROMOTE or 
> PERISH!"
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Eric.
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Del K. Rykert" <drykert2 at rochester.rr.com>
> To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 9:29 AM
> Subject: Re: *SPAM* Re: Rules Survey
> 
> 
> > Show me the changes in last 20 years that hasn't also turned some away...? 
> > One of the reason not as many participate as once did...   Leave it alone 
> > unless you want to drive more away.
> >
> >  del
> >    nsrca  473
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Wayne Galligan" <wgalligan at goodsonacura.com>
> > To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 8:29 AM
> > Subject: Re: *SPAM* Re: Rules Survey
> >
> >
> >> Nat,
> >>
> >> Your right... look at the last three years at the Nats and what took top
> >> honors in the masters class.....an ARF that cost less then $600.
> >>
> >> WG
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message ----- 
> >> From: "Nat Penton" <natpenton at centurytel.net>
> >> To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
> >> Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 7:21 PM
> >> Subject: Re: *SPAM* Re: Rules Survey
> >>
> >>
> >>> Some of you are over estimating the importance of the airplane and
> >>> underestimating the potential of the pilot.                   Nat
> >>> ----- Original Message ----- 
> >>> From: "Bill Southwell" <bnbsouthwell at bellsouth.net>
> >>> To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
> >>> Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 8:56 PM
> >>> Subject: Re: *SPAM* Re: Rules Survey
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> > Tom how so?  If there are available engines that actually hold up but
> >> are
> >>> > a bit more porky....but also a lot cheaper to own both in intial
> >> purchase
> >>> > and in up keep how can it lead to a more expensive airplane. Cost of 
> >>> > the
> >>> > present designs are due to the materials and mathods of production
> >>> > required tokeep the weight down. A little more room would make more
> >>> > pedestrian material like balsa , ply. and foam to come back or at 
> >>> > least
> >>> > make the average builder have hope.
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > Tom Shaw wrote:
> >>> >
> >>> >> You guys need to leave well enough alone.  With the unlimited engines 
> >>> >> a
> >>> >> higher weight limit is just going to ecourage larger more expenseive
> >>> >> airplanes.  That will amount to fewer flyers.
> >>> >>
> >>> >>     ----- Original Message -----
> >>> >>     *From:* Gray E Fowler <mailto:gfowler at raytheon.com>
> >>> >>     *To:* discussion at nsrca.org <mailto:discussion at nsrca.org>
> >>> >>     *Sent:* Tuesday, February 08, 2005 4:25 PM
> >>> >>     *Subject:* RE: *SPAM* Re: Rules Survey
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >>     Here comes the dreaded weight debate again....
> >>> >>
> >>> >>     Consider this-Anyone in the upper level classes would not be too
> >>> >>     smart to have a plane heavier than it needs to be.  But, lets
> >>> >>     pretend there is a hot new Sportsman named uh lets see..... 
> >>> >> Chuck.
> >>> >>     Chuck tears up 401 after 3 contests, and he is flying his best
> >>> >>     airplane that most FAI guys would consider a toy (and I do not
> >>> >>     mean the "foamie toys" pictured in last months Model Aviation
> >>> >>     being held by  a guy named "Chuck")  and so moving up to
> >>> >>     Intermediate halfway thru his first season, last 3 contests were
> >>> >>     quite a challenge, BUT he places in 402 anyway!
> >>> >>     In the off season, he saves his pennies, keeps his wife happy and
> >>> >>     gets a used REAL pattern plane, built by someone who has a slight
> >>> >>     heavy hand, and alas it weighs 11.5 lbs. Now this here Chuck is
> >>> >>     good and pumped up and I would place money that this theoretical
> >>> >>     person could place at the NATS, but his plane is over weight!!!!!
> >>> >>     one more !
> >>> >>
> >>> >>     Sorry Chuck, even though you are flying at a disadvantage, we 
> >>> >> will
> >>> >>     not let you play at the NATS........Oh unless you can spend $2k
> >>> >>     more on another plane.
> >>> >>
> >>> >>     The story you have just read is about to be true, once we do not
> >>> >>     let Chuck fly at this years NATS. But at least the French FAI 
> >>> >> rule
> >>> >>     makers are happy.
> >>> >>
> >>> >>     Consider a weight change. It does not need to be across the board
> >>> >>     and for the life of me I cannot imagine why it needs to align 
> >>> >> with
> >>> >>     FAI.  Chuck will have a 5Kg plane *BY THE TIME HE REACHES 
> >>> >> FAI-*and
> >>> >>     the French can be happy then*.*
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
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