Composite-ARF Impact question
Dean Pappas
d.pappas at kodeos.com
Wed Feb 2 09:06:33 AKST 2005
It is an Harrumph of emphatic agreement. For homework, go re-rent Blazing Saddles.
For those who do remember:
"Hello boys! Work, work, work, work ..."
Dean Pappas
Sr. Design Engineer
Kodeos Communications
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South Plainfield, N.J. 07080
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[mailto:discussion-request at nsrca.org]On Behalf Of rcaerobob at cox.net
Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2005 11:22 AM
To: discussion at nsrca.org
Subject: Re: Re: Composite-ARF Impact question
OK - I'll bite - what's a "Harrumph" in cyber/mail-ease???
Is it a <cough>, or <sneer>, <snort>, <bs>.... Which?
OR is it the "how dare you say such a thing?"
>
> From: <tph1 at bellsouth.net>
> Date: 2005/02/02 Wed AM 10:52:11 EST
> To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
> Subject: Re: Re: Composite-ARF Impact question
>
> Another Harruummph is in order.
> >
> > From: Bill Southwell <bnbsouthwell at bellsouth.net>
> > Date: 2005/02/02 Wed PM 12:13:03 EST
> > To: discussion at nsrca.org
> > Subject: Re: Composite-ARF Impact question
> >
> >
> > Ed I think you hit the nail on the head. It is hard on ones ego to
> > over pay for a product and then find there are imperfections to boot.
> > There are a few domestic kit makers left, lets support them!
> >
> > Mark thats exactly what I have been mad as he## about. Geitz made a
> > marketing coo when he got a lot of big name folks to sell and fly his
> > stuff as "REP'S". Now they have financial stake to protect the product
> > beyond a simple sponsorship. I can't see a little fellow walking up to
> > big Andy Kane and telling him "that's a piece of crap!" You get
> > intimidated by "star quality" reps and no lack of them. Brilliant! makes
> > for a bunch of sheeple. Who does a little guy think he is challenging
> > that system...he would look like "Chicken Little" and just get a letter
> > explaining how wrong he is about his product.
> >
> > Lets support all those folks that are left in the states and get the
> > pipe line going again. Heck maybe a few might sprout up if we show some
> > interest$$ Look at last years Symphony, Panacea, and the Titan. EVERY
> > bit as good and priced a heck of a lot better than CompARF,ZN Line or PL
> > Products. Time to be rid of the Chevy vs BMW mentality. I for one would
> > say the customer support at Aeroslave and PAC way out shines the
> > "concubines" and the " it's twisted but all 350 fly perfect straight "
> > load of ahh... fertilizer. I have delt with the two companies and find
> > them to be helpful way beyond reasonable. When did customer service,
> > and believing in the people you are dealing with go out the window when
> > we make our purchasing decisions? Why?
> >
> > OK lets have a little bit of feed back from the " no American company
> > can match the quality of the European manufactures" supporters and
> > discuss this issue. Might be interesting....................Might help
> > our Cottage industry get a little wind in there sales. Wait lets go a
> > little further and start a Good guys list if you received a good vale
> > for your$$ or a great experience from the supplier service wise. I'll
> > put my keyboard were my mouth is and start the thread her in a minute. I
> > bet the feed back might be a breath of fresh air on the list and for all
> > those brave souls who try to make our toys for very little reward dollar
> > wise or "pat on the back" wise.
> >
> > Plastic scale modeling has been made far, far better due to cottage
> > industries. That hobby was on a bad decline not too many years ago.
> > Cottage industries made far better models possible and broke a downward
> > spiral and turned it around for scale enthusiast. There are more after
> > market companies than kit manufactures today.
> >
> >
> > I would also like to say thanks to Adam for getting this thread going
> > and hope you get your twist worked out.
> >
> > Regards
> > Bill " now heaping on the coal" Southwell
> > Iuka,MS
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Ed Miller wrote:
> >
> > > The American kit manufacturers haven't learned the secret. The more
> > > one pays for an item, the harder one will defend it and overlook it's
> > > deficiencies. We had an abundance of American cottage industry kits
> > > manufacturers AND designers, we drove them out of business with the
> > > plane of the week mentality.
> > > Ed M.
> > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Hunt"
> > > <flyintexan at houston.rr.com>
> > > To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2005 8:05 AM
> > > Subject: Re: Composite-ARF Impact question
> > >
> > >
> > >> I'm gonna say it.....just can't hold back.....if an Aires fuse was
> > >> like this we'd be hearing all about how hard it is to find a quality
> > >> pattern kit in the US. Drives me nuts that so many people have been
> > >> fixing this without so much as one bad word about this company.....
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> there...I feel better.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Black" <tkeithb at comcast.net>
> > >> To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
> > >> Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 11:23 PM
> > >> Subject: Re: Composite-ARF Impact question
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>> OK guys, all this talk has gotten me to take another look at my new
> > >>> Impact.
> > >>> Here's what I see.
> > >>>
> > >>> 1) I cannot detect any twist in the fin. Perhaps someone can tell me
> > >>> how to
> > >>> look for this, but I can't see it.
> > >>>
> > >>> 2) If I measure for straightness in the fuse it is not perfectly
> > >>> straight.
> > >>> It's hard to tell if the left side is just a little fuller (puffy)
> > >>> or if it
> > >>> is bent. Whatever the case, it's not perfectly symmetrical. I did
> > >>> notice
> > >>> when mounting the gear that the *inside* of one half was slightly
> > >>> flatter
> > >>> than the other side. Specifics of my measurements: I lined up the
> > >>> fuse on
> > >>> graph paper and measured for straightness by setting the nose on the
> > >>> center
> > >>> line and the tail on the center line. I then took measurements
> > >>> periodically
> > >>> along fuse checking the distance from the center line (using a
> > >>> square). At
> > >>> the most extreme point the left side is wider by about 1/4". To
> > >>> double check
> > >>> I then centered the mid-point of the fuse and the nose. This
> > >>> resulted in the
> > >>> rudder being about 1/4" off to the right.
> > >>>
> > >>> I know it's preferable to have a perfectly straight fuse, but
> > >>> considering
> > >>> the overall size of the fuse, how well I've seen other Impacts fly,
> > >>> (and the
> > >>> fact that I already own it), I'm not going to worry about. With all the
> > >>> right thrust discussions held lately I'm sure I can get it trimmed
> > >>> to fly
> > >>> fine. Also, given it's a molded fuse I'm sure that Jason's was the
> > >>> same and
> > >>> he did pretty well with his ;-)
> > >>>
> > >>> BTW, I did the same measurements on both of my Aries fuses prior to
> > >>> building
> > >>> and they were extremely straight. Knowing all the work Lance and
> > >>> Gray put
> > >>> into the Symphony I'm sure it's dead on as well.
> > >>>
> > >>> Keith Black
> > >>>
> > >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Southwell"
> > >>> <bnbsouthwell at bellsouth.net>
> > >>> To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
> > >>> Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 8:42 PM
> > >>> Subject: Re: Composite-ARF Impact question
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Hi Adam,
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Hey at least no mention of concubines or other strange behavior. If
> > >>>> all of you are having a vision problem ( mass hallucination) there
> > >>>> will
> > >>>> be a group therapy session at the NATS. I hope this will help all
> > >>>> CompARF customers to get with the program...err ah how not to see
> > >>>> things. It is funny its no manufacturing error but everyone has
> > >>>> had the
> > >>>> same issue. I bet the fellow who crates the fuselages gets a broom
> > >>>> tomorrow to work with. You have to be in awe of his consistency in
> > >>>> applying pressure to each fuse. Thank goodness he studied the
> > >>>> aerodynamics of the thing...he must be a genius as all 350 fly dead
> > >>>> straight now!
> > >>>>
> > >>>> If a manufacture in the states created a ahhh a well...... "visual
> > >>>> effect" like that people would be slamming the same for lack of
> > >>>> quality
> > >>>> and ripping the customer off. I have talked to several friends who
> > >>>> have
> > >>>> the gassser CompARF planes and they have reported quality issues and
> > >>>> felt that for the money it could have been better. guess its a case
> > >>>> of "
> > >>>> international tolerance and good will" at work here ( Geez now I am
> > >>>> sounding like Mike Savage). I say don't be intimidated and demand a
> > >>>> refund for the banana. He gives you all your ammunition in his
> > >>>> reply...well at the bottom any how. I still think if he added
> > >>>> something
> > >>>> with concubines and court it would be more interesting to
> > >>>> read...................................................Just basking in
> > >>>> the flames here :>)
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Regards
> > >>>> Bill " medium to well done" Southwell
> > >>>> Iuka, MS
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Adam Quennoz wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>> > I'm glad to see others are seeing the same thing. I thought I was
> > >>>> > nuts. I e-mailed Composite-ARF about this issue. Here's the reply:
> > >>>> >
> > >>>> > Hello Adam,
> > >>>> >
> > >>>> > since 350 Impacts come from the same molds, and all fly perfectly
> > >>>> > straight,
> > >>>> > there is no manufacturing error in yours.
> > >>>> >
> > >>>> > The center line (seam line) is a little bit out of center, this
> > >>>> might
> > >>>> > make
> > >>>> > it appear not straight, possibly.
> > >>>> >
> > >>>> > If the fuselage got pressure during shipping / storing, so that the
> > >>>> > fin was
> > >>>> > slightly twisted in the box, this can be easily fixed when gluing
> > >>>> in > the
> > >>>> > rear hinge post. But actually, I do not think that you would have to
> > >>>
> > >>> make
> > >>>
> > >>>> > any corrections, as I know that the fin appears to be a little bit
> > >>>> > off, but
> > >>>> > it doesn't. the planes fly dead straight.
> > >>>> >
> > >>>> >
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