Transmitter power questions.....

Wed Apr 13 10:19:20 AKDT 2005

Back in the days of yore, when we were using super-regenerative 
receivers, tube transmitters, etc. occasionally when being interfered 
with, of just plain out of range, occasionally we could regain control 
of the airplane by putting the transmitter on the roof of a nearby car, 
thus providing a ground plane component.  Sort of a court of last 
resort, but, any old port........................Bill Glaze

Michael Lance wrote:

>I remember that "situation", Steve.  All of us witnesses were amazed
>that you realized the issue, didn't over control and got your bird back
>close enough to yourself to overcome the interference.  The whole
>sequence of events must have lasted close to a minute.
>
>Amazing recognition of the problem and cool response; not sure how you
>managed it.
>
>MIke
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: discussion-request at nsrca.org [mailto:discussion-request at nsrca.org]
>On Behalf Of RC Steve Sterling
>Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 4:05 PM
>To: discussion at nsrca.org
>Subject: RE: Transmitter power questions.....
>
>bare light bulb is pretty close analogy.  Point source radiating in a
>sphere
>is the real definition.
>
>A dipole actually has flux lobes and concentrates the radiated power
>perpendicular (sorta) to the antenna, with nulls off the ends. Thus
>dipoles
>have that 2.1 db gain (theorically) over an isotropic source, because
>they
>concentrate more of the power broadside to the antenna. Although the
>antennas on our transmitters are probably closer to being 1/4 wave whips
>(still sorta a dipole), they don't have much energy coming off the
>pointy
>end. Still plenty to fly with in the normal situation. But if you ever
>get
>in a a weak signal or interference situation, holding the antenna
>broadside
>to airplane should raise the signal by several db. Helped me once in a
>two
>transmitters on situation.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: discussion-request at nsrca.org
>[mailto:discussion-request at nsrca.org]On Behalf Of John Ferrell
>Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 11:39 AM
>To: discussion at nsrca.org
>Subject: Re: Transmitter power questions.....
>
>
>That sounds familiar.
>I have always thought of isotropic being like a bare light bulb
>radiating
>energy.
>
>BTW, Bill & I defied fate again yesterday and flew all afternoon under
>the
>dreaded towers at CCRC....
>
>John Ferrell
>http://DixieNC.US
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Bob Richards" <bob at toprudder.com>
>To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
>Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 11:40 AM
>Subject: Re: Transmitter power questions.....
>
>
>  
>
>>John,
>>
>>IIRC, the relationship between dipole and isotropic is
>>about 2.1 dB.
>>
>>Now that you mention it, they probably run site
>>surveys to check for unauthorized transmissions and
>>that is why they want to know as much information
>>about the expected transmissions from on-base.
>>
>>Bob R.
>>
>>--- John Ferrell <johnferrell at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>    
>>
>>>The antenna gain is less than 1 dbd. The last "d"
>>>means as compared to a reference dipole. If needed,
>>>I will review an antenna book for the relationship
>>>to a "dbi" which is isotropic.
>>>
>>>The polarization is not consistent since a hand held
>>>whip antenna less than a quarter wave is being used.
>>>
>>>The ground to air range is so low that the systems
>>>can operate two miles apart without interfering with
>>>each other. Since all of the equipment is handheld
>>>and battery powered, no one is especially interested
>>>in using the maximum legal power level.
>>>
>>>BTW, IMHO, their vigilance in the matter of nearby
>>>radio transmissions is commendable in these
>>>unsettled time.
>>>
>>>John Ferrell
>>>http://DixieNC.US
>>>
>>>  ----- Original Message -----
>>>  From: Bill Glaze
>>>  To: discussion at nsrca.org
>>>  Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 8:35 PM
>>>  Subject: Re: Transmitter power questions.....
>>>
>>>
>>>  I can answer a few:
>>>  Transmitter power:  1 watt maximum.  Actual,
>>>really about 200 milliwatts
>>>  Transmitter radius is difficult, because you need
>>>to have an effective Field Strength Meter, but I
>>>have successfully operated an airplane's controls at
>>>1.1 miles, (line of sight) but I didn't intend to
>>>fly; I couldn't even have seen the airplane.
>>>  Antenna used: Vertical Whip (Normally; that's
>>>what's supplied)
>>>  Antenna gain; I don't really know the answer to
>>>that one.
>>>  Polarization:  Vertical  (which is normal form a
>>>whip antenna.)
>>>
>>>  bravo52 wrote:
>>>
>>>    Hey Guys,
>>>      I am working on a project to get RC on my Air
>>>Force Base and they have a few questions........
>>>Can anybody answer these questions for me given a
>>>standard Futaba or JR radio?
>>>
>>>    1. What is the transmitter power?
>>>    2. What is the radius the transmitter will
>>>operate effectively? Consider miles not
>>>Line-of-sight. (I guess that depends on #1)
>>>    3.  What type of transmit antenna will be used,
>>>e.g., parabolic, whip, telescoping single pole, ect?
>>>    4.  What is the transmitter antenna gain?
>>>    5.  How is the transmit antenna polarized, e.g.,
>>>horizontal, vertical, etc.?
>>>
>>>    TAI
>>>    v/r
>>>    Jerry L.
>>>
>>>    P.S. I tried to call Tony at RS but he left
>>>early...............hmmm.......was he at the field????
>>>      
>>>
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