Judging Controversy

[tony at radiosouthrc.com]

Maureen:

You are mostly correct..  The FAI has an official list of judges submitted by their country to be eligible to serve at a world champs.  The contest management of the particular event actually selects the judges.  At that time, requests for resumes are sent out for review.  Then the final selection of 20 judges is made.

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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Maureen Dunphy 
  To: discussion at nsrca.org 
  Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 1:09 PM
  Subject: Re: Judging Controversy 


  Mike spoke with the judges in Ireland and Poland, and was interested to learn that each country has it's own criteria for selecting judges.  Many countries use the same judge every two years.  Many countries are very small and have a very limited number of people interested in F3A, so they are fortunate to find one person to send as a judge. The USA is fortunate to have a large number of very qualified judges, so the solution was to devise a ranking system to submit names.  Back in USPJA (US Pattern Judges Association) days, judges had a schedule of contests they had to judge before they would be considered as the USA judge recommendation. As I recall, a judge had to judge two Nats, two Team Selection Contests, and quite a few local contests to even be qualified.  These people were also full-time dedicated judges.  

  As has been pointed out, five USA judges have been submitted to the CIAM (I believe) organization for 2004-2005 judges.  In the past, at a meeting in February or March of the year of the F3A World Competition, the organizers and the FAI (CIAM) Board voted on a judge from each country who would be invited to judge. Only a certain number of judges are selected, so not every country has a judge selected to represent their country.  The candidate was then notified and had a short period of time to accept.  I would think the same procedure would be followed for the 2005 Championships; i.e. judges will be chosen at the meeting in Feb. or March of 2005 and then the judges selected will receive his/her official invitation.  

  This is a generalization of how judges have been chosen in the past - but I have no official knowledge of how the 2005 judge will ultimately be chosen.

  Maureen
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Brian Young 
    To: discussion at nsrca.org 
    Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 10:40 PM
    Subject: Re: Judging Controversy 


    Just curious, do other countries use a judge ranking system? Just wondered whether the NSRCA is pioneering this or whether the judge ranking was modeled after some existing system. Sorry if this has been discussed, I cant recall the details of your articles.



    Ron Van Putte <vanputte at cox.net> wrote:

      On Sep 7, 2004, at 8:30 PM, BUDDYonRC at aol.com wrote:

      > Pardon me Ron I must have missed it in your column. If that is the 
      > case then why are we all having this discussion and why is the NSRCA 
      > submitting a list to AMA for judge selection recommendations by them 
      > for the 2005 WC If this has already been determined. Or is this list 
      > for the 2007 WC? Sounds like the latest post's have confused the issue 
      > for many of us who are on the outside looking in, can you please 
      > expand on the fact's to explain what is going on with this issue since 
      > I may need to retract statements that I made in a previous post that 
      > were the results of me possibly not understanding the issue.


      We can do one of two things: We (NSRCA) can either say that nothing 
      can be done and let behind-the-scenes politics decide who will go to 
      the 2005 F3A WC as the U.S. judge, or we can let everyone in the world 
      know who the NSRCA top-ranked judges are and force the people who want 
      to play politics with U.S, judge selection out into the open where 
      their actions will be transparent. We chose the latter. The list of 
      the five NSRCA top-ranked judges has been sent to AMA's Competition 
      Department for transmittal to the 2005 F3A WC organizing committee. In 
      addition, several individuals outside the U.S. have been informed of 
      our judge ranking process and the results of the ranking.

      Ron Van Putte
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