European Champs, Alcochete, Portugal 2004

Ron Van Putte vanputte at cox.net
Mon Sep 6 18:51:10 AKDT 2004 

On Sep 6, 2004, at 8:45 PM, Joe Lachowski wrote:

> I don't have to back up anything.  Changing Pattern rules in direct 
> opposition of the active pattern majority is enough. Having several 
> proposals which were co-signed by Ron Van Putte, John Fuqua and Tony 
> Stillman contrary to the desires of those who responded to the NSRCA 
> SIG survey is enough.
>
> What you are really seeing is good evidence for term limits, NSRCA and 
> AMA, as well.

Apparently some people don't understand that the rule change process 
allows any AMA member to submit proposed changes to the rules.  John 
Fuqua submitted changes to the rules that Tony Stillman and I agreed 
with, so we co-signed John's proposal and the Contest Board voted them 
in.  We will see the effect of these rule changes next spring.  Until 
then, the jury is out.

NSRCA officers are limited to two terms, effective after the term limit 
vote was held.  I still have one opportunity to serve as NSRCA vice 
president, since the vote wasn't held until just before I took office 
two years ago.  Those who don't feel that I have served NSRCA well 
should vote for my opponent.

Ron Van Putte

>> From: Ron Van Putte <vanputte at cox.net>
>> Reply-To: discussion at nsrca.org
>> To: discussion at nsrca.org
>> CC: John Fuqua <johnfuqua at gdsys.net>
>> Subject: Re: European Champs, Alcochete, Portugal 2004
>> Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 19:44:07 -0500
>>
>>
>> On Sep 6, 2004, at 7:14 PM, Joe Lachowski wrote:
>>
>>> Yeah, but does it have to be beaten to death a multitude of times?  
>>> Once or twice is enough to get the point across.
>>>
>>> Mr. Van Putte and his associate Mr. Fuqua have managed to get a lot 
>>> of Pattern pilots that I have talked to pissed off with their 
>>> shananigans. I have lost respect for these individuals. They are not 
>>> doing things in the best interest of the majority of pattern flyers 
>>> today. Enough said. I am a very easy going individual and it takes 
>>> an awful lot for me to get this agitated.
>>
>>
>> Let's hear about the "shenanigans" that are referred to.  It's easy 
>> to fling claims around.  Let's see if there are some facts to back 
>> them up.
>>
>> Ron Van Putte
>>
>>>
>>>> From: Bill Glaze <billglaze at triad.rr.com>
>>>> Reply-To: discussion at nsrca.org
>>>> To: discussion at nsrca.org
>>>> Subject: Re: Fwd: European Champs, Alcochete, Portugal 2004
>>>> Date: Mon, 06 Sep 2004 19:13:41 -0400
>>>>
>>>> Joe:
>>>> I would like to raise the idea that things like this, perhaps, are 
>>>> just what the membership needs to know is going on.  I hope that 
>>>> informing us is the idea here; I hope that there are no private 
>>>> axes to grind; if so, they will quickly out.  If there is somebody 
>>>> else running for office, I feel that it is possible that 
>>>> information like this will make people aware of just why they 
>>>> should vote a certain way.  I hope.  An informed 
>>>> electorate............well, you get the idea.
>>>> Bill Glaze
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Joe Lachowski wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Ron could you please leave be already. This is not the place to 
>>>>> air this stuff.  This is something the NSRCA executive needs to 
>>>>> handle between it and the AMA.  Hope you're not voting for the 
>>>>> incumbent in the coming AMA election. <g>.
>>>>>
>>>>> Vote Dave Mathewson for Pesident.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> From: Ron Van Putte <vanputte at cox.net>
>>>>>> Reply-To: discussion at nsrca.org
>>>>>> To: discussion at nsrca.org
>>>>>> Subject: Fwd: European Champs,  Alcochete, Portugal  2004
>>>>>> Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 09:58:41 -0500
>>>>>>
>>>>>> All - Another e-mail I got  from Bengt-Eric Soderstrom follows.  
>>>>>> I find it interesting that Bob Skinner (from South Africa, who is 
>>>>>> the chairman of the international committee for F3A world 
>>>>>> championships) said that Bob Noll would be the next U.S. world 
>>>>>> championships judge, when it is up to a country to submit a list 
>>>>>> of potential judge candidates and the responsibility of the host 
>>>>>> country's  organizing committee to select from the list.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ron Van Putte
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> From: Bengt-Erik Soderstrom <bes at wll.swipnet.se>
>>>>>>> Date: September 6, 2004 9:30:04 AM CDT
>>>>>>> To: Ron Van Putte <vanputte at cox.net>
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Fwd: European Champs,  Alcochete, Portugal  2004
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi again Ron,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Again about Bob Noll:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The information I wrote (below) I got from Bob Skinner now, two 
>>>>>>> weeks ago,  in Portugal.. He said that Bob Noll would be the 
>>>>>>> next U.S judge, and found it good that he was - on his own 
>>>>>>> initiative - training himself in Poland.. He also had some 
>>>>>>> comments about U.S judges being appointed for a two-year period, 
>>>>>>> which means that U.S.A will on each World Champs have a rookie 
>>>>>>> judge, and it would be better if they could at least be listed 
>>>>>>> and available for 2  WCs.
>>>>>>> But of course, AMA is the U.S body to make the official judges 
>>>>>>> list for the U.S.A.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I also hope our paths will cross again, why don't you come to 
>>>>>>> France next year?
>>>>>>> Would be nice ...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> All the best
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Bengt-Erik
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ron Van Putte wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Bengt-Eric - Nice to hear from you.  Thanks for the report on 
>>>>>>>> the European Champs.  I forwarded it to our R/C aerobatics 
>>>>>>>> discussion list to let them know about the European Champs and 
>>>>>>>> what you said about Bob Noll.  When you read the way I prefaced 
>>>>>>>> your e-mail, you will understand.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Good luck.  I hope our paths cross in the future.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ron Van Putte
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> From: Ron Van Putte <vanputte at cox.net>
>>>>>>>>> Date: September 5, 2004 3:20:36 PM CDT
>>>>>>>>> To: discussion at nsrca.org
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Fwd: European Champs,  Alcochete, Portugal  2004
>>>>>>>>> Reply-To: discussion at nsrca.org
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> All - I just got the forwarded e-mail from Bengt-Erik 
>>>>>>>>> Soderstrom, who is a Swedish F3A judge.  I met him at the 1995 
>>>>>>>>> F3A World Championships in Kasaoka, Japan.  We hung out 
>>>>>>>>> together throughout the event.  We renewed our acquaintance at 
>>>>>>>>> the 1999 F3A World Championships in Pensacola, FL.  In fact, 
>>>>>>>>> his return flight was out of New Orleans, so I took him over 
>>>>>>>>> there a day early and we spent the afternoon/evening at the 
>>>>>>>>> French Quarter.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You will note that he refers to Bob Noll as THE U.S. judge for 
>>>>>>>>> the next F3A World Championships.  This despite the fact that 
>>>>>>>>> the list of the top five U.S. judges is just now being sent to 
>>>>>>>>> the 2005 F3A World Championships organizing committee and Bob 
>>>>>>>>> Noll is the fourth-ranked judge.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> This all started when Bob announced to me at the 2003 F3A Team 
>>>>>>>>> Selection Finals that he was to be the U.S. judge in 2005.  He 
>>>>>>>>> paid his own way to Poland and announced there that he was to 
>>>>>>>>> be the U.S. judge in 2005.  He managed to get into all the 
>>>>>>>>> judging functions and did practice judging with the actual 
>>>>>>>>> judges.   This is a very curious situation.  How Noll can be 
>>>>>>>>> so sure that he will be the 2005 U.S. judge is beyond me, 
>>>>>>>>> unless he has a high-level AMA official as a sponsor (read 
>>>>>>>>> Dave Brown).
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Here's Bengt-Eric's e-mail:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Ron Van Putte
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> From: Bengt-Erik Soderstrom <bes at wll.swipnet.se>
>>>>>>>>>> Date: September 5, 2004 1:50:59 PM CDT
>>>>>>>>>> To: vanputte at cox.net
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: European Champs,  Alcochete, Portugal  2004
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hi there Ron, long time, no see...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I think it would be interesting for you to get a small report 
>>>>>>>>>> from the 2004 EU Champs in F3A, just recently held, all seen 
>>>>>>>>>> through a judge's eye
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Winner this time was Roland Matt  - Wolfgangs son
>>>>>>>>>> 2nd was Christophe Paysant-Le Roux
>>>>>>>>>> 3rd was Wolfgang Matt
>>>>>>>>>> It was during the whole competition very close between Roland 
>>>>>>>>>> and Christophe. It was a tie in the finals, so then the semi 
>>>>>>>>>> finals results needed to be used.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The Matts were flying their latest: the Lazulite and this 
>>>>>>>>>> time the electric version.  Weight of their models were 4950 
>>>>>>>>>> grams incl battery.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It looks like that this event was really the breakthrough for 
>>>>>>>>>> the electric power-plants. Many pilots in spite of the very 
>>>>>>>>>> high pricetag flew electric models.
>>>>>>>>>> (Electric engine incl regulating electronics, gearbox etc.: 
>>>>>>>>>> About 1.000 US$, Battery pack about 800 $.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I heard that in the next year's World Champs, to be held in 
>>>>>>>>>> St-Yan in France.  Bob Noll has been chosen as the U.S judge. 
>>>>>>>>>> I met him in Poland last year, he is a good guy and he is 
>>>>>>>>>> very welcome into the club.  St-Yan is a small town not 
>>>>>>>>>> easily found on the maps, but it is situated about half way 
>>>>>>>>>> between Paris and Lyon, right in the center of the best wine 
>>>>>>>>>> districts in France.
>>>>>>>>>> If you happen to met him, please give him my regards.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Word goes around that the 2007 World champs will go to 
>>>>>>>>>> Canada, we will see.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I hope everything is well with you, Ron. I wish you and your 
>>>>>>>>>> wife all the best.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Bengt-Erik Soderstrom
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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