CD's

[Bill Glaze]

As somebody else pointed out on this list last time this discussion came 
up:  "Gee, that means when I go to the Nats' I won't be allowed to 
judge?  What a pity!"
Of course, judging isn't the only place that competitor labor is 
required, but it is a big part.
Bill Glaze

Earl Haury wrote:

> John covers most of the points. It's important to recognize that the 
> class that someone competes in only addresses his / her flying skills, 
> not judging skills. Our certification process is the basis for 
> ensuring that everyone has taken a look at the rules and been exposed 
> to discussion of the finer points. Judging skills may advance much 
> more quickly than flying skills if a little work is applied, so it's 
> important for CD's to inquire as to where individuals fit in and use 
> them in their judging matrix accordingly.
>
> A ranking system incorporated into out cert process would certainly be 
> useful, however the methodology for arriving at a proper ranking is 
> not without difficulty. Maybe group (non competition) judging of 
> several flights during the certification event, with scores compared 
> to the "experienced" judges used for ranking (a real judging test)? Of 
> course the logistics of this, considering many cert programs are 
> conducted during the offseason when weather precludes much flying, are 
> also difficult.
>
> The best answer may be some sort of electronic flight scoring system 
> that handles geometry, box limits, centering, and distance, leaving 
> only the subjective smoothness / gracefulness to the judges. Just 
> think - all of the objective elements, that we're all sure that we do 
> correctly, would be accurately scored every time! Dean - you should be 
> able to handle the hardware, just make sure that it's simple to use, 
> light, cheap, and accurate. Would this ever make a great practice tool!
>
> Earl
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Ferrell" 
> <johnferrell at earthlink.net>
> To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
> Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 6:59 AM
> Subject: Re: CD's
>
>
>> I have been at this for about ten years and I will never really be a 
>> good contestant.
>> Here are a few of my observations:
>> Some of our best judges don't fly at all.
>> Many of our top flyers are poor judges, sometimes because they simply 
>> are not interested in being a good judge.
>> Some people who know the rules cannot apply them fairly.
>> Most entry level pilots have enough to worry with their flying 
>> without adding juding to the load.
>> When we do a local judging seminar the raw judging scores of the two 
>> judges get a lot closer together.
>> The person presenting the Judging Seminar is not there to interrpret 
>> the rules. His/her duty is to present the package and facilitate 
>> orderly discussion.
>> An overly criticized judge will avoid conflict at the expense of 
>> accuracy.
>> All judges make mistakes. If judges were perfect we would only need 
>> one per line.
>> Poor judges miss downgrades. Their scores tend to be higher.
>> A judge that downgrades items not documented in the rules is corrupt.
>> Judging is getting better all the time but it will never meet 
>> contestant expectations.
>> Masters and FAI flyers are more comfortable judging each other.
>> The most important quality of a judge is his motivation to be a good 
>> judge.
>> You can do a pretty good job of judging even if you don't know the 
>> sequence. You will miss the call when a wrong maneuver is flown.
>> A maneuver that takes longer to call than it does to fly is difficult 
>> to judge fairly.
>> The rules are not clearly defined and the current process is not 
>> likely to improve them.
>> The whole FAI game is out of our hands.
>>
>> John Ferrell
>> My Competition is not my enemy!
>> http://DixieNC.US
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff H. Snider" <jeff at snider.com>
>> To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 5:57 PM
>> Subject: Re: CD's
>>
>>
>>> Coming from outside, I'm amazed we don't have a process for ranking
>>> judges in this sport.  It may be that a Sportsman has keen eyes and
>>> a good understanding of the rules, and can capably judge Masters,
>>> or even FAI, even though he doesn't yet have the skill to compete
>>> in Intermediate.  It may also be that a Masters pilot lacks the
>>> proper temperment or attention span and can't consistently judge
>>> an entire round of any class.
>>
>>
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