CD's
Bill Glaze
billglaze at triad.rr.com
Fri Oct 29 11:51:52 AKDT 2004
As somebody else pointed out on this list last time this discussion came
up: "Gee, that means when I go to the Nats' I won't be allowed to
judge? What a pity!"
Of course, judging isn't the only place that competitor labor is
required, but it is a big part.
Bill Glaze
Earl Haury wrote:
> John covers most of the points. It's important to recognize that the
> class that someone competes in only addresses his / her flying skills,
> not judging skills. Our certification process is the basis for
> ensuring that everyone has taken a look at the rules and been exposed
> to discussion of the finer points. Judging skills may advance much
> more quickly than flying skills if a little work is applied, so it's
> important for CD's to inquire as to where individuals fit in and use
> them in their judging matrix accordingly.
>
> A ranking system incorporated into out cert process would certainly be
> useful, however the methodology for arriving at a proper ranking is
> not without difficulty. Maybe group (non competition) judging of
> several flights during the certification event, with scores compared
> to the "experienced" judges used for ranking (a real judging test)? Of
> course the logistics of this, considering many cert programs are
> conducted during the offseason when weather precludes much flying, are
> also difficult.
>
> The best answer may be some sort of electronic flight scoring system
> that handles geometry, box limits, centering, and distance, leaving
> only the subjective smoothness / gracefulness to the judges. Just
> think - all of the objective elements, that we're all sure that we do
> correctly, would be accurately scored every time! Dean - you should be
> able to handle the hardware, just make sure that it's simple to use,
> light, cheap, and accurate. Would this ever make a great practice tool!
>
> Earl
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Ferrell"
> <johnferrell at earthlink.net>
> To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
> Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 6:59 AM
> Subject: Re: CD's
>
>
>> I have been at this for about ten years and I will never really be a
>> good contestant.
>> Here are a few of my observations:
>> Some of our best judges don't fly at all.
>> Many of our top flyers are poor judges, sometimes because they simply
>> are not interested in being a good judge.
>> Some people who know the rules cannot apply them fairly.
>> Most entry level pilots have enough to worry with their flying
>> without adding juding to the load.
>> When we do a local judging seminar the raw judging scores of the two
>> judges get a lot closer together.
>> The person presenting the Judging Seminar is not there to interrpret
>> the rules. His/her duty is to present the package and facilitate
>> orderly discussion.
>> An overly criticized judge will avoid conflict at the expense of
>> accuracy.
>> All judges make mistakes. If judges were perfect we would only need
>> one per line.
>> Poor judges miss downgrades. Their scores tend to be higher.
>> A judge that downgrades items not documented in the rules is corrupt.
>> Judging is getting better all the time but it will never meet
>> contestant expectations.
>> Masters and FAI flyers are more comfortable judging each other.
>> The most important quality of a judge is his motivation to be a good
>> judge.
>> You can do a pretty good job of judging even if you don't know the
>> sequence. You will miss the call when a wrong maneuver is flown.
>> A maneuver that takes longer to call than it does to fly is difficult
>> to judge fairly.
>> The rules are not clearly defined and the current process is not
>> likely to improve them.
>> The whole FAI game is out of our hands.
>>
>> John Ferrell
>> My Competition is not my enemy!
>> http://DixieNC.US
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff H. Snider" <jeff at snider.com>
>> To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 5:57 PM
>> Subject: Re: CD's
>>
>>
>>> Coming from outside, I'm amazed we don't have a process for ranking
>>> judges in this sport. It may be that a Sportsman has keen eyes and
>>> a good understanding of the rules, and can capably judge Masters,
>>> or even FAI, even though he doesn't yet have the skill to compete
>>> in Intermediate. It may also be that a Masters pilot lacks the
>>> proper temperment or attention span and can't consistently judge
>>> an entire round of any class.
>>
>>
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