Suggestions for Sport Pattern 40 - 60 size plane

Wed Oct 20 05:43:23 AKDT 2004

 Verne hits the nail on the head here. I've come to realize this after kicking around with the little ones for a few years. Most of have fairly limited time to fly so why not fly your best stuff. Now as far as kick around planes go I'm into lil electrics. They do help develop hand to eye coordination and there is most definitly a crosssover benefit to be had from this type of flying. These planes can be flown on lunchtimes and in your backyards, this is a benefit. Good points Verne, Mike

Verne Koester <verne at twmi.rr.com> wrote:One thing that merits consideration in talking about these knockaround
planes is that they are just that. There's no substitution for whatever
plane you're actually going to compete with and that's the one you should
fly most of the time. The very best pattern pilots in the country all have a
"first string airplane" and they consider it a handicap if a midair or some
other event forces them into their backup ship which is almost always a
carbon copy of their primary ship. Problem is, the copy never flies exactly
like the original. The moral here is to fly the tar out of whatever your
best plane is. Guaranteed you'll be way more hooked up with it on contest
day than if you practice with a "knock-around" pattern plane and compete
with something else.

Verne

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Paul Horan" 

To: ; 
Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2004 8:04 PM
Subject: Re: Suggestions for Sport Pattern 40 - 60 size plane

> George,
> The Javalin II does sound interesting.
> I checked on the RCU review and it shows a one piece wing - nice. The
construction looks pretty simple and straight forward. I
> am still considering getting a 3D as a knockaround, the H9 Twist sound
good. But, the Javalin II sounds good too. I'm having
> trouble making up my mind. In favor of the Twist is I can toss it in the
back of the van with the wing on - no setup just fly. If
> it goes in - no heartache there. It also works well for fun flys.
> I am currently flying a Meridian and have just gotten booted up from
Sportsman to Intermediate. I expect to be a cellar dweller
> for quite a while BUT do not want a plane that has so many quirks that I
learn bad habits while practicing Intermediate. By bad
> habits I mean fighting a plane that does no groove (lock in on pitch and
roll). I've been there and done that - its not practice
> just massive frustration and learning bad habits.
> Back to the Javalin, how durable is it ? How much push is necessary
for inverted, this is usually a matter of preference
> depending on how far the CG is moved back. What CG are you flying at ?
Any other info ?
> Thanks,
> Paul
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "George Kennie" 
> To: 
> Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2004 4:32 PM
> Subject: Re: Suggestions for Sport Pattern 40 - 60 size plane
>
>
> > There's no way that you would ever confuse the Javelin with a 3D
airplane,
> > although you can get it to snap very nicely on low rates for things like
the
> > avalanches and 45 downline snaps and FAI humpties thus eliminating the
need for
> > switching. Nice package. Go to Cermark's site Ed. Tell 'em you want it
for $ a
> > buck and a half and they'll probably go for it. That's what I paid back
in the
> > spring. It's probably the quickest build out there and the results are
as good
> > as or better than anything in the class.
> > A friend of mine, who is relatively new to pattern, bought one on my
> > recommendation and immediately stripped it because he was not thrilled
with the
> > colors and recovered it in blue and yellow and I was convinced that he
had
> > probably wrecked it, but he recently let me try it and it was immediate
comfort
> > on his sticks. It flew every bit as nicely as mine( and I wrestled with
the
> > thought that it might be even better).I'm a little frustrated with the
fact that
> > I can't get guys to try this thing. Guys want to buy a knock-around
beast that
> > they have to fight through every maneuver instead of something that
flies with
> > the precision of a much larger bird and on top of that they end up
paying just
> > as much or more.............Jeeeeesshh!
> > I feel like "WHAT'S THE MATTER WITH THESE GUYS ?", .....If you get one
and you
> > don't like it, take it to an auction and sell it for almost as much as
you paid
> > for it! You ain't gonna do that with a 3D plane. Those auction people
love
> > pattern planes.
> > O.K., O.K. .......I'm done.
> > G.
> >
> > Wade Akle wrote:
> >
> >> I looked at the Javelin 2 at NESail.com . Is this the same one? it
looks
> >> more like 3D rather than a pattern?
> >> Wade
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Paul Horan" 

> >> To: 
> >> Sent: Monday, October 18, 2004 9:13 PM
> >> Subject: Re: Suggestions for Sport Pattern 40 - 60 size plane
> >>
> >> > Hi,
> >> > Thanks for the info.
> >> > So far the candidates for knock around sport pattern are:
> >> > * Venus, possibly some QC problems but most have worked well and fly
> >> > well.
> >> > * Javalin II, sounds good but who carries it and how much.
> >> > * Excelleron 50 & 90, also sounds good but a bit on the expensive
side for
> >> > a knock around.
> >> > * Swallow, Yes Chuck you kicked my butt with this. I'm not sure it
fits
> >> > as a sport knock around.
> >> > * Wideboby 40, I'm not sure about this. Haven't seen one yet. Does
it
> >> > fit as a knock around plane.
> >> >
> >> > What I am looking for is something that is
> >> > *relatively inexpensive (< 200),
> >> > *takes a 40 - 60 2 stroke,
> >> > *is pretty sturdy (or replacement parts are available),
> >> > *flys well enough that casual Intermediate pattern practice will not
teach
> >> > me bad habits or cause me to spend most of my attention on fighting
the
> >> > plane rather than working the manuevers.
> >> > * Is an easy to build arf - the easier the better. This is a knock
around
> >> > plane and
> >> > expendable.
> >> >
> >> > Anyone have any coments on a 46 powered 3d plane that fits this
> >> > description ?
> >> > The Venus sounds interesting. The only downside is the pitch
hunting
> >> > and it may
> >> > be a bit more serious than a knock around plane.
> >> >
> >> > Thanks
> >> > Paul
> >> > KC5NF
> >> > AMA 57131
> >> > NSRCA 3606
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