Be A Good Judge//was:RE: Defensive judging to avoid retaliation.

[Rcmaster199 at aol.com]

Contestant judging has flaws, no doubt about that. But I can't agree that 
returning to the old days
 where, in local events, people with very little knowledge about pattern and 
its many intricacies, were judging guys with many many years experience in 
pattern. That was not my idea of fairness in judging. 

Not all Contestant judges "get it", but many, maybe even most, do. It is a 
better system than what we had, at the local level at least. And many of us are 
continuing to help bring the word out to all. 

At the 2002 Nats I recall an F3A'er who apparently just did not want to judge 
us in Masters, so his scores were consistently 20-30% lower than the others. 
We all knew who he was however, when it was his time to fly F3A, at least on 
the panels I judged with other fellow Masters pilots, he was judged fairly with 
no bias towards retaliation that I saw. 

Yes we do have some, that for whatever reason, will not do their jobs 
correctly, at local events or nationals alike. But let's not forget the many that 
accept the responsibility with pride, and do a great job in choosing those that 
won and those that didn't, without fear of retaliation. My hat off to all who 
judge fairly. My suggestion and hope for the future is "Be A Good Judge" no 
matter what. The sport of pattern truly depends on it.

 Matt Kebabjian

> Subj:Re: Defensive judging to avoid retaliation. Are you guilty?  
> Date:5/20/2004 12:19:25 PM Eastern Daylight Time
> From:johnferrell at earthlink.net
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> To:discussion at nsrca.org
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> 
> I have never been so hungry that I needed a customer like that. Anyone who 
> believes ANYTHING that customer has to say is also suspect, they are buying 
> into lying. 
>  
> Everyone of those type of individuals we encourage to remain in the sport 
> costs us at least 10 other potential contestants. 
>  
> The worst thing you can do to your buddy in this game is to hide bad news 
> from him. Eventually he will have to face honest judges and he will be hurt. 
> Although it is not recommended practice, it is good for judges to compare 
> scores on a given flight occasionally. Just to see how well you are tracking. I 
> felt compelled to do this last weekend because I felt my good friend and 
> practice buddy was getting some awfully good scores from me. I trust Bill 
> Mitchell's judging so I asked that the three of us compare the scores at the end of 
> the flight. We were all pleased to see that Bill was just flying good, my 
> friendship had not tainted the results!
>  
> If a guy cannot face the facts (contestant or judge) he needs to find 
> something else to do!
>  
> John Ferrell    
> http://DixieNC.US
> 
> >> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: Del Rykert 
>> To: discussion at nsrca.org 
>> Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2004 10:04 AM
>> Subject: Re: Defensive judging to avoid retaliation. Are you guilty? 
>> 
>> 
>> Using contestants as judges has many ugly sides. I remember when some 
>> prominent fliers would register late for NATS to get out of judging. I remember 
>> being told by a prominent flier he didn't need to attend the judging seminar 
>> at the NATS as he preferred to go out and practice being it was elective. 
>> Crying shame we have to legislate answers to many issues that the ugly side of 
>> people present. Bottom line in my mind is honor and character sure doesn't 
>> mean what it once did. 
>>     Is inexcusable for anyone to retaliate while judging. What do we do 
>> though. Ban them from competing? It is unfair for Tony and anyone in that 
>> position to have that dilemma. 
>>                          del 
>>                NSRCA - 473
>> 
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