Defensive judging to avoid retaliation. Are you guilty?

[John Ferrell]

I have never been so hungry that I needed a customer like that. Anyone who believes ANYTHING that customer has to say is also suspect, they are buying into lying. 

Everyone of those type of individuals we encourage to remain in the sport costs us at least 10 other potential contestants. 

The worst thing you can do to your buddy in this game is to hide bad news from him. Eventually he will have to face honest judges and he will be hurt. Although it is not recommended practice, it is good for judges to compare scores on a given flight occasionally. Just to see how well you are tracking. I felt compelled to do this last weekend because I felt my good friend and practice buddy was getting some awfully good scores from me. I trust Bill Mitchell's judging so I asked that the three of us compare the scores at the end of the flight. We were all pleased to see that Bill was just flying good, my friendship had not tainted the results!

If a guy cannot face the facts (contestant or judge) he needs to find something else to do!
 
John Ferrell    
http://DixieNC.US

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Del Rykert 
  To: discussion at nsrca.org 
  Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2004 10:04 AM
  Subject: Re: Defensive judging to avoid retaliation. Are you guilty? 


  Using contestants as judges has many ugly sides. I remember when some prominent fliers would register late for NATS to get out of judging. I remember being told by a prominent flier he didn't need to attend the judging seminar at the NATS as he preferred to go out and practice being it was elective. Crying shame we have to legislate answers to many issues that the ugly side of people present. Bottom line in my mind is honor and character sure doesn't mean what it once did. 
      Is inexcusable for anyone to retaliate while judging. What do we do though. Ban them from competing? It is unfair for Tony and anyone in that position to have that dilemma. 
                           del 
                 NSRCA - 473
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Tony Stillman 
    To: discussion at nsrca.org 
    Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2004 2:53 PM
    Subject: Re: Defensive judging to avoid retaliation. Are you guilty? 


    Mike:

    It can be even worse than what you described.....  I have had this problem when I judged someone critically, and they then put out the word not to buy stuff from Radio South.....

    So, as a manufacturer, should I DEMAND that I not be required to judge, or just sit back and give out faulty scores so as to not hurt my business?  


    Tony Stillman
    Radio South
    3702 N. Pace Blvd.
    Pensacola, FL 32505
    1-800-962-7802
    www.radiosouthrc.com
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: mike mueller 
      To: discussion at nsrca.org 
      Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2004 11:39 AM
      Subject: Defensive judging to avoid retaliation. Are you guilty? 


      Ok, this is the worst part of the problem with judging snaps, if you take a stand and decide to be the "snap policeman" then you run the risk of judges retaliation. Say your Bob the relatively new Advanced flyer and your judging Joe superstar FAI guy. He executes a snap that's thought by most to be pretty good because Joe performed it. You know better and think it didn't show a proper break in pitch, so you 0 the maneuver. Dude are you kidding me? Word get's out that you gave Joe superstar a 0 and you have a bullseye on your back that may effect how others are going to judge you. Your stuck in the middle of a tough competition with your arch rival and can't afford the inevitable results. Who wants a reputation as a so called jerky judge especially one that can't fly nearly as well as "Joe"?
       Don't think for a second that this doesn't happen and happen all the time. Thus you get the guys that take the "SAFE" route and scores 7 and 8's on everything even though you know better. Then there's the guy that's competing against you judging in a defensive manner. Very few guys are willing to step on toes because they are worried about the consequences. 
       I hate contestant judging because it's vanilla. Back when pattern was King we didn't allow it. When you held a contest you provided judges that didn't fly. In so many ways it was better. Given all that were stuck with it and it ain't changing anytime soon because we lack the numbers that we used to have. 
       Houston we have a problem!!!!!!!!
       PS: This is not meant to hurt Joe's feelings, so don't take it too personally please. This is what makes judging snaps too hard for most of us.
       Oh ya am I guilty? In the past I would admit that it has played in to my thinking process. I wonder how many of you would admit to this fault.
                                          Have a nice day!! Mike



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